Big Ford EV Announcement Coming Aug 11th

[jghall00]

So 10.2 on the face.

How many KWH do you make a day on average?

I don't know exactly. Usually it's somewhere between 40 and 50 kWh if the weather is clear and I have enough demand.

 

[oil pan 4]

I owned a couple of the 300/6. All mine came with the NP 4 speed. That engine came out in 1965 - along with the 240 - well outside my 40 year window.

I did not choose 40 years randomly.

Yeah wasn't sure if that was less than 40 years

 

[UncleDave]

I don't know exactly. Usually it's somewhere between 40 and 50 kWh if the weather is clear and I have enough demand.

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I get around 45 with an 20 panel/8K Qcell and enphase IQ8 array.

When you say " when you have enough demand" does that mean your setup will stop producing once and if it detects a full battery and no load not sending anything back to the grid?

I've always liked the sol ark outside its min startup voltage.

My experience with tranformerless inverters is that they dont like load imbalances and all my friends that use these designs end up adding a balancing autotransformer. I think the victron has the edge on the sol ark here.

 

[buster]

He's been driving around in a BYD and praising them for the last year. About time they do something.

 

[E365]

Sounds like the first model might be a smaller EV pickup.

“Ford has been vague about what that team will bring to market, but insiders hint the company is preparing to launch an entirely new EV “family.” And that’s expected to include a number of different body styles, starting with a small, all-electric pickup somewhere in size between the compact Ford Maverick and midsize Ranger, said Sam Abuelsamid, lead analyst with Telemetry Research. At least one small SUV will follow”

https://www.autoblog.com/news/fords-affordable-new-ev-family-will-start-with-a-small-electric-pickup

 

[jghall00]

And that’s expected to include a number of different body styles, starting with a small, all-electric pickup somewhere in size between the compact Ford Maverick and midsize Ranger, said Sam Abuelsamid, lead analyst with Telemetry Research. At least one small SUV will follow”

https://www.autoblog.com/news/fords-affordable-new-ev-family-will-start-with-a-small-electric-pickup

Based on Maverick demand, that's a no-brainer. People have been clamoring for smaller, less expensive trucks for years. I wonder what size battery they squeezed into it.

 

[E365]

Based on Maverick demand, that's a no-brainer. People have been clamoring for smaller, less expensive trucks for years. I wonder what size battery they squeezed into it.

For sure! Hopefully GM responds with a BEV-3 based EV pickup. The existing 102kWh Ultium 12-module pack would probably be ideal. Or a similar sized pack with the GM’s new LFP program

 

[jghall00]

I get around 45 with an 20 panel/8K Qcell and enphase IQ8 array.

When you say " when you have enough demand" does that mean your setup will stop producing once and if it detects a full battery and no load not sending anything back to the grid?

I've always liked the sol ark outside its min startup voltage.

My experience with tranformerless inverters is that they dont like load imbalances and all my friends that use these designs end up adding a balancing autotransformer. I think the victron has the edge on the sol ark here.

Correct. I don't produce if the batteries are full and there's no household load. I've taken to limiting the charge overnight to absorb some solar output during the day. The batteries don't like being full in high heat, so I try to limit their time at 100% while still hitting full charge periodically to ensure they balance properly. They were discharging early AM before the sun came up, but I've adjusted my climate settings to precool the house, so that isn't an issue anymore. Now I just overcool the house whenever the batteries get near full in the daytime. I could automate further to adjust charge based on predicted weather, but there's not much financial benefit since cell prices keep dropping and degradation is already low. As long as I recoup my initial outlay and maybe get another five years, I'm fine with my return.

 

[GrumpyCat]

+1 They have a hard time keeping air conditioners running during a heatwave, which I find comical at times. Imagine 14% of the cars running around NY were electric?

Charging at night when air conditioners are not working as hard? Would be great!

But if you persist in promoting The Gas Station Fallacy upon EVs then the nightmare you desire will be a reality. Forcing EVs on public charging, fast 100kW+ rates during the day, most accurately mimics ICE (gasoline) vehicles and totally defeats the EV advantage.

 

[GrumpyCat]

No one wants to face this truth. So they bury it to the public.
Not only that it’s if the entire public that will bare the cost of upgrading the grid for EV owners?
Not fair.
Really the fairest way would be a surcharge on EV charging. This alone should be high enough to pay the cost of grid updates leaving non car owners and gasoline owners electric rates alone.

What is fair about charging me based on what I use electricity for?

A kWh is a kWh whether used to propel my EV, surf BITOG, or ...

I think you should pay more per kWh for electricity to surf BITOG with an Intel CPU than I using an energy efficient Apple M1. As you say, "is only fair that you have to pay for grid upgrades..."

 

[GrumpyCat]

Think about it seriously. Oil companies pay the cost to keep their systems functioning and up to date including manufacturing gasoline and it’s in the price of fuel. I do expect something like this if we ever get close to double digit acceptance of EVs
No free ride.

Are you aware of how much electricity is used to produce gasoline?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Yes. But no one is doing it here.

T.O.U. billing doesn't 100% track demand, as implemented. The utility continuously reads the meter (every 3 minutes, IIRC) and can bill whatever rate for those 3 minutes their contract allows. Sort of hard for an EV to track but nobody cares, it isn't that important to implement your beloved central control. You hate "EV mandate", and "EV incentives" but you are all for controlling when one may charge an EV, run one's air conditioner, hot water heater, etc.

The Tesla Energy Gateway is capable of signaling Tesla Wall Connectors as to when surplus PV power is available for the EV, else it is going to the grid. I have this, but haven't spent enough time with it.

 

[SC Maintenance]

it isn't that important to implement your beloved central control. You hate "EV mandate", and "EV incentives" but you are all for controlling when one may charge an EV, run one's air conditioner, hot water heater, etc.

How about stopping to infer how I think to fill in your strawman arguments. You clearly have no clue what or how I think

Real time pricing is the purest form of capitalism. A price is offered - you can take it or leave it. Its how real open markets work. TOU is just a really crude way of doing it - a poor way from a control standpoint.

Your "free" nighttime electricity, exists only because someone else paid for it somewhere along the way.

 

[SC Maintenance]

What is fair about charging me based on what I use electricity for?

A kWh is a kWh whether used to propel my EV, surf BITOG, or ...

I think you should pay more per kWh for electricity to surf BITOG with an Intel CPU than I using an energy efficient Apple M1. As you say, "is only fair that you have to pay for grid upgrades..."

Because decades ago the collective we decided that everyone should pay for the residential grid because everyone benefits - much like a road. In some states you can't disconnect from the grid even if you wanted to.

So now some small percentage of people - 1.4% of cars are EV - are adding loads to the existing grid to the point where its almost at peak. Different areas vary, but the older and more densely populated the area, the generally worse it is.

So the grid needs to be improved. So they want everyone to now pay for the 1.4% or whatever percentage of EV's will exist in the future. Thats not exactly equitable, that the 98.6% subsidize the 1.4%.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Because decades ago the collective we decided that everyone should pay for the residential grid because everyone benefits - much like a road. In some states you can't disconnect from the grid even if you wanted to.

So now some small percentage of people - 1.4% of cars are EV - are adding loads to the existing grid to the point where its almost at peak. Different areas vary, but the older and more densely populated the area, the generally worse it is.

So the grid needs to be improved. So they want everyone to now pay for the 1.4% or whatever percentage of EV's will exist in the future. Thats not exactly equitable, that the 98.6% subsidize the 1.4%.

Equitable? I gave up on that one a long time ago. There is no such thing.

The grid around here serves to burn down our forrests; it needs improving badly. Whatever helps to drive improvement benefits everyone. Not to mention the squirrels, turkey vultures and such.

I probably pay for all kinds of stuff I don't personally use or even want. So do you.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Equitable? I gave up on that one a long time ago. There is no such thing.

The grid around here serves to burn down our forrests; it needs improving badly. Whatever helps to drive improvement benefits everyone. Not to mention the squirrels, turkey vultures and such.

I probably pay for all kinds of stuff I don't personally use or even want. So do you.

Of course we do, but your PG&E issues aside, I can't think of many things where so many pay for so few, those few not really being needy. People without kids pay for schools for example - but in the end they get a more educated society - or at least that is the argument. What do I get from subsidizing the cyber truck up the street?

 

[demarpaint]

Charging at night when air conditioners are not working as hard? Would be great!

But if you persist in promoting The Gas Station Fallacy upon EVs then the nightmare you desire will be a reality. Forcing EVs on public charging, fast 100kW+ rates during the day, most accurately mimics ICE (gasoline) vehicles and totally defeats the EV advantage.

True but people lose power at night too when the grid is overworked during heatwaves. Regarding "The Gas Station Fallacy upon EV nightmare" you wrote about I have no idea what that means. As far as EV's are concerned, I won't be buying one, so no worries for me there with charging, or paying higher insurance for owning one. So for me that's a win, and at that's really all that matters. If you own one and you're happy with it, that all that matters for you.

 

[4WD]

True but people lose power at night too when the grid is overworked during heatwaves. Regarding "The Gas Station Fallacy upon EV nightmare" you wrote about I have no idea what that means. As far as EV's are concerned, I won't be buying one, so no worries for me there with charging, or paying higher insurance for owning one. So for me that's a win, and at that's really all that matters. If you own one and you're happy with it, that all that matters for you.

The nicer hotels that provide only a duvet year round - must like paying for electricity bcs people sure turn that AC down at night in the summer …

 

[demarpaint]

The nicer hotels that provide only a duvet year round - must like paying for electricity bcs people sure turn that AC down at night in the summer …

LOL you mean people like me? I like it cold when I sleep, so the AC is cranking all day and night.

 

[4WD]

LOL you mean people like me? I like it cold when I sleep, so the AC is cranking all day and night.

I live half my life in hotels as a long stay guest - it’s common for me to expense a fan and then leave it once a project is done …
Just like a fan on low for the air movement and white noise …
(Same thing I do at home) …