Best 15 passenger Van for Church?

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We have a Ford 15-passenger at work that we use for commuting to the city. Gets driven by a bunch of lead-footers. It's an E-350 however. It has no stability issues and gets driven HARD, and hard loaded. Has the 5.4L. IIRC, it is at 2007.
 
Originally Posted By: Gebo
I'm leaning towards a 2004-2006 chevy 3500. 8-12K


I would generally prefer them over the Fords, if I were choosing. They have a better SLA front suspension, rather than the twin I-beam that the Ford has (or had). I also prefer the cam-in-block Vortec engines to Ford's OHC Modular engines, but that's personal preference. I have driven a few of the 15-pax GMC vans at work and they drive nice. You can feel the added length in the wheelbase compared to the Ford (and it's a good thing).
 
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
You guys are all getting insurance? I thought companies hated the short wheel base vans. So the Chevys would be the way to go. Or maybe their terrible handling was one of those alarmist fads.


Actually, our insurance doesn't allow us to seat a full 15 passengers. Although we have the "extended" version (Club Van or whatever it's called), the insurance/safety video that all drivers have to watch instructs not to seat passengers behind the rear axle. So we have the last row out of our van and use it for cargo.


This is slightly nuts-- I bet that cargo can weigh more than a bench seat full of Americans, which can make it handle even worse.

Though they at least don't have to pay personal injuries x 15 if something goes wrong...
 
Originally Posted By: Gebo
Got one you want to sell?
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
The new GM vans have Stabilitrak standard now, so even a dingbat can be safe.

We have run whole herds of GM extended wheelbase Savanas since they came out weighing WAY more than even a 15 passenger model and there are absolutely no stability issues at all.

One of the best inclement weather vehicles we own!



Thank you very much, but you wouldn't want one of ours. We beat them to death, I routinely run them 250-300k miles and then sell them.
 
Well, I've decided on a 2008 Chevy 3500. Made my deposit. Thanks for your input.
 
Originally Posted By: Gebo
Well, I've decided on a 2008 Chevy 3500. Made my deposit. Thanks for your input.


Excellent choice. The longer wheelbase of the Chevy will serve you well.
 
OK. Picking up Van on Monday. Assuming I have no maintenance records, what are the first maintenance issues you would address?

Obviously, oil change with filter, air filter, coolant change, rear end, etc. plugs???
 
If it's a 6.0 gas engine the plugs last 100k miles easy. to your list: Clean the Maf and the throttle body well. Change all fluids, including power steering fluid and trans.

How many miles on her?
 
Originally Posted By: Gebo
OK. Picking up Van on Monday. Assuming I have no maintenance records, what are the first maintenance issues you would address?

Obviously, oil change with filter, air filter, coolant change, rear end, etc. plugs???


Transmission fluid!

The plugs are probably fine unless it has a lot of miles, but most of the fluids are probably 3 years old now, so go ahead and replace them.
 
Id look for a sprinter if I could find one.

Keep in mind that for liability and safety reasons, sometimes there are rules/regulations that require only 12 in the van.
 
Originally Posted By: Gebo
OK. Picking up Van on Monday. Assuming I have no maintenance records, what are the first maintenance issues you would address?

Obviously, oil change with filter, air filter, coolant change, rear end, etc. plugs???
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
If it's a 6.0 gas engine the plugs last 100k miles easy. to your list: Clean the Maf and the throttle body well. Change all fluids, including power steering fluid and trans.

How many miles on her?

Don't forget the brake fluid...
 
A 15 passenger van is the worst choice IMO. The amount of rollover deaths is staggaring. Just google the info. You would of been better off to buy a small bus. I will never allow any of my family members in one of these death traps. I am actually surprised that they are still allowed to produce these things.
 
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
A 15 passenger van is the worst choice IMO. The amount of rollover deaths is staggaring. Just google the info. You would of been better off to buy a small bus. I will never allow any of my family members in one of these death traps. I am actually surprised that they are still allowed to produce these things.


Is it time to ban dihydrogen monoxide, since the number of deaths connected to it are "staggering" as well?

And if they stopped building 15 passenger vans, lots of tradesmen such as carpetlayers, plumbers, and electricians would be quite upset as well.
 
Those are great stats and all but newer model GM products all have Stabilitrak standard. My bet is you probably can't roll one if you tried.

I'm sure Ford and Dodge have something similar?

But using the same logic we should get ready to start banning a lot of things!
 
Let me clarify myself. At no time did I state the banning of these vehicles. I stated that I am surprised that they are still allowed to produce these death traps with the knowledge of their shortcomings instead of solving the problem. Which would you choose to have your kids ride in. A vehicle which is unsafe and unstable or a vehicle which is alot safer.(i.e small bus). A few years ago quite a few high school student on a basketball team were killed here because a cross wind flipped one of these things over. I am sure the parents of the dead students would have a very different outlook on these 15 passenger vans.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Those are great stats and all but newer model GM products all have Stabilitrak standard. My bet is you probably can't roll one if you tried.

I'm sure Ford and Dodge have something similar?

But using the same logic we should get ready to start banning a lot of things!

I think the real issue is that they don't need a special license to drive, so you've got all sorts of people bombing around like they are in their own vehicle doing 75-80+ mph in a vehicle that handles much different than most vehicles. You can't tell me a blow out in these vans is the same as a blow out in your car. Or a trip into the ditch at speed is the same as in an Accord. If it was we wouldn't be talking about this right now.
 
I just came to this thread for the first time, and it looks like the right recommendation was made and followed. Good work!

The GM vans really are winners in this class right now. 2010+ 3/4- and 1-ton vans have an available 6-speed transmissions. When I have to get rid of my Dodge, I'll replace it with a 12 pax 3/4 ton GM. That could be a long time from now, since the Dodge has only 52,000 miles on it. It doesn't have AC, though, and there's a chance I might have to move to Houston sometime in the next few years. I would not take it along.

The safety issue is a valid concern. An extended Econoline was the second vehicle I drove as a teenager at my first job in the mid-90s. I hope that wouldn't be allowed anymore! I can tell you that even with a few years of experience I still did some stupid things behind the wheel. I never had an accident, but it took a close call early in my 20s to get my act together. For an organization like a church, make sure that drivers are responsible and experienced.

That said, new ones with electronic stability control ("Stabilitrak") are really pretty stable. GM's longer wheelbase helps too. I would be able to sleep at night if my organization had both responsible drivers and GM vans with ESC.

Indeed, the risk involved in operating a 15-pax van is larger than for a small bus. In many states, however, a small bus would still require drivers to have a CDL. The added expense of the vehicle and driver license could cost a lot more than the extra security is worth. The one catch in such a cost-risk analysis is that insurance companies might charge a huge premium for a 15-pax van.
 
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