Hmm. We all enjoy the results that these "evil" companies produce - cheap, plentiful food. As soon as there is an opportunity we start bashing. Is there any hypocrisy here? In a different post, a poster said that survival of the fittest has been replaced with survival of the fattest.
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Originally Posted By: DBMaster
Hmm. We all enjoy the results that these "evil" companies produce - cheap, plentiful food. As soon as there is an opportunity we start bashing. Is there any hypocrisy here? In a different post, a poster said that survival of the fittest has been replaced with survival of the fattest.
I assume you've looked into Monsanto then? If not I suggest you do. Its much deeper than cheap grain. Which isn't actually cheaper once you factor in their products don't end up seed,and the farmer has to buy seed every year.
I live in the breadbasket of the Canadian prairies,I see exactly what evil Monsanto really is,I suggest you look into them as a whole.
Hmm. We all enjoy the results that these "evil" companies produce - cheap, plentiful food. As soon as there is an opportunity we start bashing. Is there any hypocrisy here? In a different post, a poster said that survival of the fittest has been replaced with survival of the fattest.
I assume you've looked into Monsanto then? If not I suggest you do. Its much deeper than cheap grain. Which isn't actually cheaper once you factor in their products don't end up seed,and the farmer has to buy seed every year.
I live in the breadbasket of the Canadian prairies,I see exactly what evil Monsanto really is,I suggest you look into them as a whole.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
DBMaster, do you honestly beleive that a farmer should pay royalties to a company when their seed contaminated his crops ?
If so, why ?
The worst part is that this particular farmer doesn't find out his crop was fertilized by the Monsanto crop until he sold his crop,then the genetics come to light.
So this guy loses his entire seasons work,then hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his loss. He lost everything. EVERYTHING.
So because the neighbours crop is Monsanto that crop pollenates all crops around it and now everyone has to pay Monsanto or risk losing their shirts.
Not to mention what they did in India,basically under minded the entire farming industry forcing everyone to play their game,as well as many other countries.
That company is as evil as it comes. There is no freedom of choice when you only have one choice.
DBMaster, do you honestly beleive that a farmer should pay royalties to a company when their seed contaminated his crops ?
If so, why ?
The worst part is that this particular farmer doesn't find out his crop was fertilized by the Monsanto crop until he sold his crop,then the genetics come to light.
So this guy loses his entire seasons work,then hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting his loss. He lost everything. EVERYTHING.
So because the neighbours crop is Monsanto that crop pollenates all crops around it and now everyone has to pay Monsanto or risk losing their shirts.
Not to mention what they did in India,basically under minded the entire farming industry forcing everyone to play their game,as well as many other countries.
That company is as evil as it comes. There is no freedom of choice when you only have one choice.
Wasn't there a ruling regarding the ownership of genes ? Honey Bees are a non native species. There are over 1500 native pollinators. None produce honey. We have been selectively breeding food stuffs for 10,000 years There is a virus that wipes hives out. My Dad kept bees and about 20 yrs ago, his hives were wiped out one winter. I have heard, not read, that the Europeans, don't allow genetically modified food seeds. and their bee hives are thriving.
I know crops are treated with stuff that kills bugs. I dont poison and the bugs eat a lot. Probably more loss than a farmer can sustain. Pesticides kill more than pests. GM food to the rescue..
I know crops are treated with stuff that kills bugs. I dont poison and the bugs eat a lot. Probably more loss than a farmer can sustain. Pesticides kill more than pests. GM food to the rescue..
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I don't know anything beyond what I've seen here at this point. I only know that people are much too quick to blame others before looking inward into one's own spending habits. We do, after all, vote with our money in capitalist society.
My comments are meant to produce discussion, not as definitive statements. You will find that I will not make such statements about topics in which I have no personal experience.
If I say that the majority of Americans, in my own observation, only care about cheap calories, do you dispute that? I know plenty who jump on the latest nutritional fads, but for the most part it's all about cheap mass quantities (think "The Coneheads").
Since a lot of posters enjoy touting free markets and capitalism as the greatest economic system they should be well prepared to "enjoy" the consequences of such a system.
That means, to me, that no "pure" economic philosophy works in the presence of human foibles.
My comments are meant to produce discussion, not as definitive statements. You will find that I will not make such statements about topics in which I have no personal experience.
If I say that the majority of Americans, in my own observation, only care about cheap calories, do you dispute that? I know plenty who jump on the latest nutritional fads, but for the most part it's all about cheap mass quantities (think "The Coneheads").
Since a lot of posters enjoy touting free markets and capitalism as the greatest economic system they should be well prepared to "enjoy" the consequences of such a system.
That means, to me, that no "pure" economic philosophy works in the presence of human foibles.
My wife nearly lost an entire hive last year I think due to someone's poisoning. They brought it back to hive making it quite weak. They could not take our tough winter and passed. They actually made it to Feb as they come out to poop on warmer days and we say them out.
I think her bee keepers in our area of NH had 50% loss recently.
We have two thriving hives now as the lucky buggers have a nearby flower farm, apple orchard, and major blueberry farm beyond urban flowers to pick and choose from. We apparently get amazing honey for folks who buy local for their allergies.
I think her bee keepers in our area of NH had 50% loss recently.
We have two thriving hives now as the lucky buggers have a nearby flower farm, apple orchard, and major blueberry farm beyond urban flowers to pick and choose from. We apparently get amazing honey for folks who buy local for their allergies.
It's the cell phones that's killing them. The microwaves from the cell towers interfere with the bees's magnetic heading and and as a result, they lose track of where they're at in relation to the hive.
Bees use the magnetic field of the Earth's North and South poles for navigation.
Bees use the magnetic field of the Earth's North and South poles for navigation.
Monsanto is a evil corporation .
They KNOWINGLY let their GMO sterile crops spread their pollen which STERILIZES other surrounding natural seed bearing crops.
They should be forced out of business.
I would also call them a "terrorist" organization creating a war on natural seed bearing fertile crops.
They KNOWINGLY let their GMO sterile crops spread their pollen which STERILIZES other surrounding natural seed bearing crops.
They should be forced out of business.
I would also call them a "terrorist" organization creating a war on natural seed bearing fertile crops.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Monsanto is a evil corporation .
They KNOWINGLY let their GMO sterile crops spread their pollen which STERILIZES other surrounding natural seed bearing crops.
They should be forced out of business.
I would also call them a "terrorist" organization creating a war on natural seed bearing fertile crops.
Thank you antiqueshell. This is exactly what I was trying to get at when I posted.
Monsanto is a evil corporation .
They KNOWINGLY let their GMO sterile crops spread their pollen which STERILIZES other surrounding natural seed bearing crops.
They should be forced out of business.
I would also call them a "terrorist" organization creating a war on natural seed bearing fertile crops.
Thank you antiqueshell. This is exactly what I was trying to get at when I posted.
No matter what, we are truly killing off the planet . Between the gigantic Lowes and Home Depot selling millions of bottles of weed killers and pest killers and 300 million customers making over 20 million gallons of mix and spraying it or pouring on the ground, not counting the farm crowd spraying from the air, we are killing each other at the same time. That 20 million gallons of mix is probably way to low, most likely 100 million gallons of mix is poured into the earth daily and that is just here in America.. we are not the only country on earth that is helping to destroy the planet...
And, generally, as evidenced frequently in this forum, many people think "more is better." At least with professionally applied pesticides (herbicides are included) the smallest effective amount is usually used. Homeowners tend to over apply which leads to runoff into streams, rivers, lakes and that has its own set of effects.
You guys definitely make me want to learn more about Monsanto, though.
You guys definitely make me want to learn more about Monsanto, though.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I think Einstein said something like, when bees become extinct, mankind will soon follow.
Without them we are worse than screwed.
Yep!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I think Einstein said something like, when bees become extinct, mankind will soon follow.
Without them we are worse than screwed.
Yep!
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
If you type "Monsanto" does the Oz NSA come rapping on your door?
Evil,evil company. They have signs up all over here,and a major sponsor of our university.
I read about a farmer who's crop was polenta end somehow by a Monsanto crop miles away. Monsanto sued this farmer claiming his crop was theirs because genetically it was,even though the seed wasn't.
The farmer went to the Supreme Court and lost. Sad. A multi billion dollar company feels the need to put this poor guy out of business.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Monsanto is a evil corporation .
They KNOWINGLY let their GMO sterile crops spread their pollen which STERILIZES other surrounding natural seed bearing crops.
They should be forced out of business.
I would also call them a "terrorist" organization creating a war on natural seed bearing fertile crops.
Totally! Incredibly evil corporate entity, in ways many of us can't even imagine. They're using advanced genetic science for unspeakable crimes against nature. Because when nothing grows anymore, and no bees are there to pollinate farmers crops, MONSANTO will be there to sell their patented suicide gene GMOs that are resistant to high-aluminum, low-nutrient soil that produce pesticides internally. Wait, that's already happened!
Originally Posted By: eljefino
If you type "Monsanto" does the Oz NSA come rapping on your door?
Evil,evil company. They have signs up all over here,and a major sponsor of our university.
I read about a farmer who's crop was polenta end somehow by a Monsanto crop miles away. Monsanto sued this farmer claiming his crop was theirs because genetically it was,even though the seed wasn't.
The farmer went to the Supreme Court and lost. Sad. A multi billion dollar company feels the need to put this poor guy out of business.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Monsanto is a evil corporation .
They KNOWINGLY let their GMO sterile crops spread their pollen which STERILIZES other surrounding natural seed bearing crops.
They should be forced out of business.
I would also call them a "terrorist" organization creating a war on natural seed bearing fertile crops.
Totally! Incredibly evil corporate entity, in ways many of us can't even imagine. They're using advanced genetic science for unspeakable crimes against nature. Because when nothing grows anymore, and no bees are there to pollinate farmers crops, MONSANTO will be there to sell their patented suicide gene GMOs that are resistant to high-aluminum, low-nutrient soil that produce pesticides internally. Wait, that's already happened!
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
No matter what, we are truly killing off the planet . Between the gigantic Lowes and Home Depot selling millions of bottles of weed killers and pest killers and 300 million customers making over 20 million gallons of mix and spraying it or pouring on the ground, not counting the farm crowd spraying from the air, we are killing each other at the same time. That 20 million gallons of mix is probably way to low, most likely 100 million gallons of mix is poured into the earth daily and that is just here in America.. we are not the only country on earth that is helping to destroy the planet...
I would really like to see how we are going to "kill the planet". This planet had no life and it sprung up without human intervention. Untold number of species died and new ones were created long before humans started their firs fire and untold number of species will die and will be replaced with new kind long after humans go extinct.
I truly hate hearing all this "save the planet" [censored].
That’s not to say that I agree with dumping chemicals and all sorts of pollution into the environment. I don't, but that's because it affects us and we only poison ourselves or our genetic pool even if the stuff doesn't kill us directly.
No matter what, we are truly killing off the planet . Between the gigantic Lowes and Home Depot selling millions of bottles of weed killers and pest killers and 300 million customers making over 20 million gallons of mix and spraying it or pouring on the ground, not counting the farm crowd spraying from the air, we are killing each other at the same time. That 20 million gallons of mix is probably way to low, most likely 100 million gallons of mix is poured into the earth daily and that is just here in America.. we are not the only country on earth that is helping to destroy the planet...
I would really like to see how we are going to "kill the planet". This planet had no life and it sprung up without human intervention. Untold number of species died and new ones were created long before humans started their firs fire and untold number of species will die and will be replaced with new kind long after humans go extinct.
I truly hate hearing all this "save the planet" [censored].
That’s not to say that I agree with dumping chemicals and all sorts of pollution into the environment. I don't, but that's because it affects us and we only poison ourselves or our genetic pool even if the stuff doesn't kill us directly.
^Good points. We might be poisoning ourselves, but the planet will be just fine without us, as it was for over four billion years prior. We sweat the extinction of every species we THINK is on the brink, yet, in excess of 99% of all species that have existed on this planet are extinct.
What a pompous and arrogant species are we.
What a pompous and arrogant species are we.
The events that are causing bees to die in mass numbers are not "common".
Considerable research is being done on this problem, with no positive results so far.
I am a beekeeper, I know!
Considerable research is being done on this problem, with no positive results so far.
I am a beekeeper, I know!
Monsanto roundup surfactant is toxic when combines with glysophate, synergy effect. The surfactant snergy is acting like a pre-emergant sterilizing the soil so no weeds can grow for an extended time.
Glysophate was tested for breakdown in highly active organic condition soil. When highy active, you have that social activity in the soil with tons of microbes and fungi. This society attacked the glysophate and broke it down....the end result - safe and harmless.
I believe people got the notion - 'If it's safe for organic it must be safe for everything else right?'
I mean it can't be toxic if applied in organic and the end result is it's safe.
That's not how it works. Common insecticides, herbicides in general breakdown from UV and heat which say used in home lawns.
Glysophate NEEDS an organic well developed society to breakdown it down fast and quickly...thus it's considered an ideal herbicide and it's safe. What happens when you don't have that breakdown because the soil lacked the microbes to feed on it.
Most common people will think well in time it breaksdown you know from UV or something. No it becomes a potential runoff worst than synthetic fertilizer runoff.
With the new GMO stuff....I can't see how the glysophate can breakdown in the soil because the surfactant is geared to be used as semi short pre-emergant. It will basically destroy the microbes if applied in a highly well developed organic society. Result no immediate glysophate breakdown or possibly worst case non at all.
Monsanto manipulated the public on glysophate and once the public opinion on glysophate was established .. made the GMO possible.
Heavy doses on Monsanto Roundup with the synergy surfactant effect is and will cause heavy damage to the environment balance effect. To tell you the truth I really believe 99% of the Roundup will end up as wash off in the water supply.
Glysophate was tested for breakdown in highly active organic condition soil. When highy active, you have that social activity in the soil with tons of microbes and fungi. This society attacked the glysophate and broke it down....the end result - safe and harmless.
I believe people got the notion - 'If it's safe for organic it must be safe for everything else right?'
I mean it can't be toxic if applied in organic and the end result is it's safe.
That's not how it works. Common insecticides, herbicides in general breakdown from UV and heat which say used in home lawns.
Glysophate NEEDS an organic well developed society to breakdown it down fast and quickly...thus it's considered an ideal herbicide and it's safe. What happens when you don't have that breakdown because the soil lacked the microbes to feed on it.
Most common people will think well in time it breaksdown you know from UV or something. No it becomes a potential runoff worst than synthetic fertilizer runoff.
With the new GMO stuff....I can't see how the glysophate can breakdown in the soil because the surfactant is geared to be used as semi short pre-emergant. It will basically destroy the microbes if applied in a highly well developed organic society. Result no immediate glysophate breakdown or possibly worst case non at all.
Monsanto manipulated the public on glysophate and once the public opinion on glysophate was established .. made the GMO possible.
Heavy doses on Monsanto Roundup with the synergy surfactant effect is and will cause heavy damage to the environment balance effect. To tell you the truth I really believe 99% of the Roundup will end up as wash off in the water supply.
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