attention cheap oil users

Status
Not open for further replies.
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser


not as good as name brand. we have the oil analysis reports showing the virgin samples. supertech is not as robust as mobil 1. why after spending A LOT of money on something, would you use cheap oil, that as I have shown, is really not that much cheaper over an OCI. sometimes its being penny wise, and pound foolish.

For a 8.29 saving, I think anyone its nuts to run supertech. Those who do, probably run shorter OCIs that with Mobil 1, actually costing them more per mile, and losing money.

How about this, same scenario, but maybe will make more sense. 10k oci's scenario(I would never do 10k on supertech, kudos to those who risk it). 12k average per year for a driver. Works out to 8.3 years to hit 100k. So for every 8.3 years or 100k, you saved a whole 82.90. Thats a savings of .83 cents a month. I will repeat that, a savings of .83 cents a month.

I have not read through all the posts yet, I will after this. Thanks to everyone who responded. I still can not comprehend trying to save .83 cents a month by skimping on something as important as the engines oil. But thats why I started this, discussion is good.

Edit-I never said I ran 5k, I do 10k. My original post used 5k as an example, which is why I said say you run, not I run. Lots of people think i only go 5k, i do 10k. Also, this was a namebrand vs storebrand thing, guess i should have not mentioned mobil 1. Its just what I use and knew the price. Thanks for the opinions.



Let me reverse the question.
What have you gained by running "Top tier" oil vs store brand oil over that 100,000 miles?
Both engines would still be running. Neither would have any oil related issues.

I understand wanting the "best", but I also believe that if adequate does just as well as the "best", why spend more?
How is it skimping if what I am using does the job just as well as what you are using? My engine is protected just as well as yours when looking at longevity. Doubt any noticeable difference if you did an engine tear down.

Now that said, most of my oil is "better" name brand synthetic oil that I have bought for less than Supertech by finding sales, rebates, clearance and price mistakes.
 
Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
Why would you just not buy better oil? The savings is basically nothing, and works out to pennies a day.


Ah the old "upsell" logic applied to ones' self. To answer the question, "I buy what I need, and modern conventional is a great value when it's on sale". Not to say I wont' buy a higher 'tier' oil, just that I'll have to "need" whatever the higher tier oil offers if I'm going to select it.

Quote:

I know it all adds up, but if you buy a car to keep it, why use toned down oil for basically no measurable savings?

Well, they are measurable savings just to be clear (you measured them!). The real elusive part is the "measurable benefits"
laugh.gif



So what does the "Mobil 1" (of course the example is M1) offer over the supertech?


According to most of the UOA that are posted on here actually very little.
 
Originally Posted By: blupupher
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser


not as good as name brand. we have the oil analysis reports showing the virgin samples. supertech is not as robust as mobil 1. why after spending A LOT of money on something, would you use cheap oil, that as I have shown, is really not that much cheaper over an OCI. sometimes its being penny wise, and pound foolish.

For a 8.29 saving, I think anyone its nuts to run supertech. Those who do, probably run shorter OCIs that with Mobil 1, actually costing them more per mile, and losing money.

How about this, same scenario, but maybe will make more sense. 10k oci's scenario(I would never do 10k on supertech, kudos to those who risk it). 12k average per year for a driver. Works out to 8.3 years to hit 100k. So for every 8.3 years or 100k, you saved a whole 82.90. Thats a savings of .83 cents a month. I will repeat that, a savings of .83 cents a month.

I have not read through all the posts yet, I will after this. Thanks to everyone who responded. I still can not comprehend trying to save .83 cents a month by skimping on something as important as the engines oil. But thats why I started this, discussion is good.

Edit-I never said I ran 5k, I do 10k. My original post used 5k as an example, which is why I said say you run, not I run. Lots of people think i only go 5k, i do 10k. Also, this was a namebrand vs storebrand thing, guess i should have not mentioned mobil 1. Its just what I use and knew the price. Thanks for the opinions.



Let me reverse the question.
What have you gained by running "Top tier" oil vs store brand oil over that 100,000 miles?
Both engines would still be running. Neither would have any oil related issues.

I understand wanting the "best", but I also believe that if adequate does just as well as the "best", why spend more?
How is it skimping if what I am using does the job just as well as what you are using? My engine is protected just as well as yours when looking at longevity. Doubt any noticeable difference if you did an engine tear down.

Now that said, most of my oil is "better" name brand synthetic oil that I have bought for less than Supertech by finding sales, rebates, clearance and price mistakes.


I guess I gained peace knowing I don't have Walmart oil in my engine, and have a name brand. You or I could not prove the same wear over time, but I believe by the numbers name brand is better, and when comparing cost to cheaper oil it is nill.

saving 83 bucks over 8.3 years by running Walmart oil is crazy in my mind. Saving 83 dollars a day, a week, or a month even, ok then, let's talk. 83 bucks over 8 years for a lesser oil is not justified, and thats what I am trying to show.

So say you need medicine to live daily, kind of like your engine. To live, you need at least a certain mg level of meds. Or even vitamins say, whatever.. Medicine A/vitamin A costs more, lasts 8 months, provides 100% levels of requirements to be healthy by proving to have very high ratings per testing. Medicine B/Vitamin B costs less, lasts eight months, at a savings of 83 bucks over 8 years, and has 95% levels of requirements. Going to take the lesser medicine b/vitamin b? Hope not.

Sorry guys, don't get it. Was hoping to sway people from using walmart oil for no reason, but carry on.
 
I do see what you are saying. It does make sense to me to a decent degree. I have run "name" brand oil probably 97% of the time. And I will continue to as well. Though I did like the Federated Auto synthetic oil I got from there. It is made by Warren Distribution which makes very good oils. I will gladly run it again in my Altima 3.5. And my lady's Camry will likely see it for awhile as well.

Having said that I just got Valvoline Advanced full synthetic and Valvoline Daily Protection both in 5 qt containers. Those will be in my car in the next runs I do. I like Valvoline a fair amount so it is an easy buy for me.
 
I guess the 2.99 Kendall syn I use is cheap and will grenade my engines. Because 7 quarts of it cost less than the OP's example.
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser


Sorry guys, don't get it. Was hoping to sway people from using walmart oil for no reason, but carry on.


^^^ Please explain this statement. ^^^

You want to sway people away from using budget oil...
but you want to accomplish this by offering NO PROOF that "name brand" oils are "better"....

I don't understand your version of "logic".
 
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I put as much as 340,000 miles on vehicles using store brand oils(SuperTech, AAP, AZ, ProLine etc.)@ 5K mile OCI's. And over 200K miles on many other cars.
Char Baby 80 Firebird FORMULA V8/4bbl-purchased "NEW" Any chance of a picture
 
Some of the store brand oils are very good. Some less so. When I see something I'm interested in, I look for a VOA or do one myself. Compare that to name brands VOAs.

Still, I find it very satisfying to buy top shelf at a bottom shelf price. I have been using Pennz Platinum lately in our two road cars. It a top tier oil and I like it's stats. I just found some on sale for $5/qt, which included half price on a Fram Ultra filter (my fave) and then Pennz is having a $10 rebate on top of that, so the oil will cost $3/quart. Top tier for a bottom dollar price and just in time for the next change. Now that I have this oil on hand, I'll keep my eye open for the next similar sale. Sounds like some of you already know this drill.

Beginning to use either the WM Super Tech or Rural King 15W40 in my big tractor. Both have all the right approvals and both have good VOAs. In another coupla years, when I change this load out, I'll do a UOA and see how it holds up.
 
Rural King does the job and let's face it,for 10 or 11.00 bux a jug is tough to pass up if you live by a store who stocks it. a real feel good buy you could say....
 
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
...
So say you need medicine to live daily, kind of like your engine. To live, you need at least a certain mg level of meds. Or even vitamins say, whatever.. Medicine A/vitamin A costs more, lasts 8 months, provides 100% levels of requirements to be healthy by proving to have very high ratings per testing. Medicine B/Vitamin B costs less, lasts eight months, at a savings of 83 bucks over 8 years, and has 95% levels of requirements. Going to take the lesser medicine b/vitamin b? Hope not.

Sorry guys, don't get it. Was hoping to sway people from using walmart oil for no reason, but carry on.


Since you bring up medicine, do you use name brand or generic?

Why by Equate Acetaminophen (325mg, 100 tablets) for $2 when Tylenol (325mg, 100 tablets) is $7. Name brand is better, right?

And no, you are not going to get it. If you want to spend more for peace of mind, that is fine. Others don't feel the need to spend more to get the same effect. Buy into the marketing kool-aid if you want, many here choose not to.
 
Originally Posted By: CR94
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
... Example, walmart supertech synthetic 5qt, 15.68.
Mobil 1 sythetic 5qt, 23.97
Price difference =8.29, or 1.65 a quart
... Why would you just not buy better oil? ...
What makes you so sure SuperTech is isn't the "better oil"? From viewing Mobil's advertisements, on which they spend the difference in price?


Yup, if it meets API why would Mobile be "better"? Marketing... Unless proven otherwise
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: CR94
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
... Example, walmart supertech synthetic 5qt, 15.68.
Mobil 1 sythetic 5qt, 23.97
Price difference =8.29, or 1.65 a quart
... Why would you just not buy better oil? ...
What makes you so sure SuperTech is isn't the "better oil"? From viewing Mobil's advertisements, on which they spend the difference in price?


Yup, if it meets API why would Mobile be "better"? Marketing... Unless proven otherwise


The "better" product will have more approvals on the bottle. Whether that matters in application is a whole other discussion.
 
Originally Posted By: 93cruiser
So, why do you buy cheap oil?

Example, walmart supertech synthetic 5qt, 15.68.
Mobil 1 sythetic 5qt, 23.97
Price difference =8.29, or 1.65 a quart

1.65 a quart. 1.65 a quart savings for "ok" oil, certainly not great oil.

Say you run 5k mile interval.
15.68/5000=.003136 per mile cost
23.97/5000=.004794 per mile cost

Really? Why would you just not buy better oil? The savings is basically nothing, and works out to pennies a day.

I am all for saving. If I got oil daily, or weekly, maybe cheap oil makes sense. But not for 5k miles.

I know it all adds up, but if you buy a car to keep it, why use toned down oil for basically no measurable savings?

Ok, so let me have it, tell me how I am wrong.



Prove to me one will see a difference in the engine life over the ownership of a properly maintained engine using any proper rated oil from any of the known quality oil blenders..
 
Lots of people apparently think their time is worth 0. If OCing is a hobby you enjoy, that is fine, but others like myself have multiple cars to maintain (including some i do not own) and getting the maximum miles/change is key.

I just changed out my B2300 oil @13,700 miles, 8 months. I am not interested in changing it in the middle of the winter.

Quote:

Say you run 5k mile interval.


Demonstratively, I don't.
 
Last edited:
What the “marketing only” claim is missing…? Major oil companies produce thier own technology, base stocks and add packs … so that’s an offset in cost … ST; Walmart has a middleman = somebody’s got to make the finished lube …
When folks buy major brands with rebates … cost is pretty cheap …

I’ll go on record for never running ST … never will (I’m sure it’s OK stuff)
Who wants to go on record for never will run anything but ST regardless of make and OCI?

In other words I’ll support the major oil companies since they are far more important than Walmart … at every level …
 
Originally Posted By: 4WD
What the “marketing only” claim is missing…? Major oil companies produce thier own technology, base stocks and add packs … so that’s an offset in cost … ST; Walmart has a middleman = somebody’s got to make the finished lube …
When folks buy major brands with rebates … cost is pretty cheap …

I’ll go on record for never running ST … never will (I’m sure it’s OK stuff)
Who wants to go on record for never will run anything but ST regardless of make and OCI?

In other words I’ll support the major oil companies since they are far more important than Walmart … at every level …


I agree. SOPUS and XOM are every part of the supply and development process with their products. Walmart buys cheap oil from somebody else, blended for a purpose (of being cheap) and put in Walmart-branded bottles.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom