I find it ironic that the same people that pushed data centers due to their tech are the same people that say "we're destroying the climate" and push...
Are you for or against Data Centers?
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Offtopic, how are those Arcs? They seem like affordable alternatives but wasn't sure on the driver stability.
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How fast is it at generating responses, if that's what you are using it for, compared to a paid plan? Do you have your own model on it? Seems interesting but unless you are doing something custom, why not use an traditional subscription?
For coding tasks it’s far slower than what you can pay for in a subscription. But if I’m just experimenting with stuff or doing some dumb personal project I’d rather not waste valuable tokens.
Copilot just did the latest round of implementing rate limits on their plans so it matters more than ever. It sucks to goof around on some personal project and then have some important work to get done and realize you can’t do it until later when some limit resets.
Some of the free models are getting quite good. Each release is impressive and it’s fun to try them all!
I was one of the first retail customers to get an Arc card (A380) and returned it because of how unusable it was. It literally didn’t work on half my monitors. It was a known issue many tech reviewers and other users were having as well.
Well here we are years later and nothing has changed. I literally had to go dig up some old monitor from the garage because the one I was going to use didn’t work with the Arc B60s lol. Same issue - no display output on a very standard Dell 1080p 60hz monitor that works on every other GPU in the world!
But they’re by far the cheapest way to get lots of video memory so I’ll just deal with it haha.
Someone's going to be destroying the climate, I just hope we aren't all speaking Chinese when it's over. There can be pragmatic shades of grey in this world.
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I think there will be a bubble in this space - and lawmakers are trying to figure that out already. But the what and where ?
It bothers me to drive past one in a heavily populated area - and see the large natural gas lines tied to many generator buildings.
So, how is the “load shedding hierarchy” established ?
Will neighborhoods be cut off so “Big Data” can rock on ?
Because how will you feel after stretching the budget for a $30k whole house system - but there is no NG in a brown/black out ?
It bothers me to drive past one in a heavily populated area - and see the large natural gas lines tied to many generator buildings.
So, how is the “load shedding hierarchy” established ?
Will neighborhoods be cut off so “Big Data” can rock on ?
Because how will you feel after stretching the budget for a $30k whole house system - but there is no NG in a brown/black out ?
Are you in Loudoun county, Va.? Never mind. I saw Aldie. I knew I have seen that neighborhood. I think there were some woods and farm land behind them when they were built and sold.
Data for what use? They have to pay for them some how just saying.
Totally against. Data centers are taking away the farms that occupied the land. I would rather see residential or small business occupy the land if it came down to that. Yes , tax income will benefit communites during the construction period then that disapears when in operation. . When operating I would bet there would be about a dozen people working there generating little tax revenue. The centers would also burden the utlities thus increasing the cost for everyone.
Yep, I checked out the water issue. Although they are typically closed loop, they need makeup water because of evaporative losses in their cooling towers.
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I’m seeing some good chunks of farm & ranch land go to solar - but at least they can contribute to the masses …
A lot of stories start with residents pushing the county supervisors to not build some mega-neighborhood, so it's denied. They always lack sufficient proffers for the schools and other things.
Then it comes back through as a special use permit for a data center. When it does, there's usually some tie back to a former county employee who now works for a data center developer, a county supervisor is selling his family land, or some other tie that looks like insider trading. These pay days are $4-6 MILLION per acre for the land owner. I watched one go for $8M.
Then you also have the problem of rural houses banding together to get all of their lands bundled together. It's like staging a home for sale, but to data center developers. You have a bunch of 3-4 acre homes on the outskirts of Loudon/Dulles all looking at $12M+ paydays. Don't want your house bundled? Fine, you get to live right next to a data center.
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Funny thing is you don’t see them until you are right on them - as opposed to two wind farms we have ~20 miles apart - and halfway I can see both of them …
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China is where all the anti data center propaganda is coming from. They do not want America to win the information war.
Bubbles are kind of a misnomer though. After the .com bubble came and burst, we didn’t stop making websites. After the housing bubble came and burst, we didn’t stop making houses. If/when the current data center bubble bursts, we will continue to make data centers. Because like websites and houses the need for them won’t just go away. Only the demand will change. But data storage is here to stay unless the technology advances such that devices can have an infinite amount of storage capacity. Which isn’t a thing yet. Everything has a finite amount of storage capacity. Only way to get more is to make more. It is what it is.
I want my children to live in a country that is the best in every way. That includes AI and data centers. If you are against that what more is there to say?
Wow, the city let them build that right in a residential area. I see no other industrial in Google Maps.
