Gotta put a ticket in first!
It's like wanting factories back, all fine and dandy until it comes time for operation and environmental cleanup.
Are you for or against Data Centers?
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Gotta put a ticket in first!
It's like wanting factories back, all fine and dandy until it comes time for operation and environmental cleanup.
Look at the donor list for the "ballroom"
I'm a big fat hypocrite. I work for a very large HVAC Manufacturer that is making so much money on these, it's like Monopoly money.
But against....
Hey, at least I'm honest about it, not like I can do anything about it.
But against....
Hey, at least I'm honest about it, not like I can do anything about it.
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The biggest complaint that is heard from the immediate neighbors of the data center is the noise pollution. All of the HVAC equipment outdoors produces a humming sound that can be heard for quite a distance. It's annoying and it lowers property values. The people that want them would change their minds if one was being built next door. The county commissioners just approved a data center in my county that is expected to take 11 years to complete use a projected 6 million gallons of water per day (the Coweta County Water and Sewerage Authority's daily output is currently approximately 10.5 million gallons per day) and consume 75% of the current output of Georgia Power's nearby Plant Yates (annual generation 2.1 TWh). The costs for the infrastructure to supply the data center utilities will most certainly be passed on to other customers-us.
There is some thought that data centers could be floating on the ocean or other body of water, to aid in cooling.
Regardless, I hate computers.
QTS built a huge data center in west midtown Atlanta. Phase 2 and 3 are under construction in this map but have since been completed and are right next to a residential neighborhood. The place is massive.
A lot of them are run by diesel generators because there is not enough electricity. In Northern Va they are built next to neighborhoods. You want to look at that from your back windows?
May have been a podcast, but I recall that there's a company that builds mini-data centers inside shipping containers and then sinks them in the ocean. No need to water for cooling, no noise pollution, etc. I can't recall how they power them though (obviously they have a way).
My dad worked in a data center in the 1970s
- mid 1990s supporting the space shuttle. They have existed for decades and will expand just like the plague of endless storage unit businesses.
Complain or contribute to the discussions with your local city council.
- mid 1990s supporting the space shuttle. They have existed for decades and will expand just like the plague of endless storage unit businesses.
Complain or contribute to the discussions with your local city council.
There are no options. If this country is to survie for OUR CHILDREN..those of you who hate them dislike your children or other's children
Im all for data centers and I say build baby build! 
Question? do you want the USA to remain the leader in the world or fall to 3rd world status. Because the country with the most computing power will be the most powerful.
With that said, in all fairness, data centers must pay their own way for utility infrastructure and costs. HUGE data centers must pay any additional costs using public resources, the public should profit from the data center. Meaning residents must be protected from rate increases and those increases born by the data center be paid by the data center.
Question? do you want the USA to remain the leader in the world or fall to 3rd world status. Because the country with the most computing power will be the most powerful.
With that said, in all fairness, data centers must pay their own way for utility infrastructure and costs. HUGE data centers must pay any additional costs using public resources, the public should profit from the data center. Meaning residents must be protected from rate increases and those increases born by the data center be paid by the data center.
That is a local zoning issue
It's no secret that land in and around Silicon Valley is at a huge premium. We also have the freezing cold SF Bay. While I am not up with current thought, discussions around using The Bay for data centers has been going on for years.
No just the expectation I should subsidize their electrical usage!
Are you against internet and computers in general? Data centers are pretty much how computers are put together in a centralized place, that runs more efficiently and securely.
The reason we have data centers is because in the past, most system were purchased for 100% worst case usage and yet only being utilized for 5% on average, and then data center companies started renting them out at 20% of the cost and average out the load between customers so everyone is making and saving money. Nobody keeps external servers in their own facilities these days (other than some security related stuff like payment or medical records but even those may already be on special region for security).
Data Center for AI being bad is really more of a "AI being bad" problem instead of data center being bad. You will just be staring at a blank router setup screen if there is no data center in the world today.
If you ban them they will still just be in factories taking up spaces, and be classified as industrial equipments. Are you for or against any large commercial or industrial facilities?
The reason we have data centers is because in the past, most system were purchased for 100% worst case usage and yet only being utilized for 5% on average, and then data center companies started renting them out at 20% of the cost and average out the load between customers so everyone is making and saving money. Nobody keeps external servers in their own facilities these days (other than some security related stuff like payment or medical records but even those may already be on special region for security).
Data Center for AI being bad is really more of a "AI being bad" problem instead of data center being bad. You will just be staring at a blank router setup screen if there is no data center in the world today.
If you ban them they will still just be in factories taking up spaces, and be classified as industrial equipments. Are you for or against any large commercial or industrial facilities?
Bay Area regions are pretty expensive last time I check on AWS US West. Oregon is a lot cheaper and unless you have some really low latency stuff like video conference server for Bay Area, you are better off starting a load in Oregon or Nevada (during day time only with cheap solar).
I drove through Central Expressway daily and the Vantage data centers never bother me one bit more than any other big companies office building. They blend in with fake glass windows and the gas turbine power plant on the streets powering them off grids are pretty quiet too.
This is a very typical one owned by Vantage. There are others like Equinox, the more recent one like Core Weave, then there are hyperscale cloud providers like AWS (Amazon), Google Cloud, Azure (Microsoft), Alibaba (small in the US), Tencent (also small in the US), Meta (internal only at least for now), and Oracle.
This is also how chip fabs look like from the outside, at least the ones in Taiwan that I have seen.
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China is against the USA having data centers and they generate the propaganda against them. That is all I need to know. China propaganda got to the fools that live in Boulder City, Nevada and they are fighting one way out in the dessert wasteland.
