Their response was simply "The API tested the product and confirmed it is compliant."
I have the Type R too, but I just can't bring myself to OLM10k OCI.Neither would I, but for my Corvette and Civic I've been following the oil life monitors, which work out to roughly every 7k in the Vette and 10k in the Civic (which is not the 1.5 turbo otherwise I'd probably do it much sooner, based on if it had fuel dilution or not)
I have the Type R too, but I just can't bring myself to OLM10k OCI.
So you believe one big oil company, but not the other?Lame. Guilty as charged.
So you believe one big oil company, but not the other?
I am not saying you should believe either - but which one do you pick and why?
I thought that Dexos 1 Gen 3 is built on the API SP additive package.API SP is such a weak standard, I totally ignore it, and only care about the GM Dexos standards, and the European MB 229.5x approvals.
I'm tired of thinking API SP oils are good enough. So many cars are getting sludge/varnish with API SP at 5K OCI's.
I've starting to only buy oils that have the MB 229.5x approval (with HTHS >= 3.5) at very low prices.
It's the ultimate value: the highest quality oil at very low prices (Ex: Pennzoil Euro L or Quaker State Euro).
With these Euro oils, engine wear theoretically should be at an absolute minimum when engine is under heavy load (due to the higher HTHS), and sludge/varnish prevention caused by hot spots in the engine should also be excellent due to the MB 229.5x tests passed/approval and higher HTHS viscosity.
It says it was sent to an independent testing facility, doesn't say which one. Where was the sample from? Who procured it? When?Yep. Two versus one really but...
On one hand you have very detailed advertising outlining elaborate testing and points of failure, by two respected companies. Way beyond the level that motor oil is generally marketed to the average consumer, but hey when you catch your rival with their pants down that badly how can you not take advantage of it?
On the other hand, you have one respected company that says "no, and these other guys say so". Oh look, is that a bunny?
Actions speak louder than words, which is the clincher here.
I am however keenly aware none of these outfits walk on water and I don't have any real preference, I have used and will continue to use products from all of them. However, the recent Rotella thread has got me thinking about HPL or Amsoil.![]()
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Generally, if somebody starts spinning me an elaborate yarn about why they are telling the truth, they are lying through their teeth. On the other hand, somebody just says "no" and hands me a reference that clearly shows that to be the case, I would consider them far more credible. The more you try and talk yourself out of a situation, the less credible you tend to be.Yep. Two versus one really but...
On one hand you have very detailed advertising outlining elaborate testing and points of failure, by two respected companies. Way beyond the level that motor oil is generally marketed to the average consumer, but hey when you catch your rival with their pants down that badly how can you not take advantage of it?
On the other hand, you have one respected company that says "no, and these other guys say so". Oh look, is that a bunny?
Actions speak louder than words, which is the clincher here.
I am however keenly aware none of these outfits walk on water and I don't have any real preference, I have used and will continue to use products from all of them. However, the recent Rotella thread has got me thinking about HPL or Amsoil.![]()
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Generally, if somebody starts spinning me an elaborate yarn about why they are telling the truth, they are lying through their teeth. On the other hand, somebody just says "no" and hands me a reference that clearly shows that to be the case, I would consider them far more credible. The more you try and talk yourself out of a situation, the less credible you tend to be.
As I said, Mobil doesn't target its competitors, it doesn't need to and there are those of us that respect that approach. You might not be one of those people, and that's fine.
I am certainly not trying to argue, I was just trying to figure out how you would choose one big oil over the other. @Foxtrot08 tells us that no one in the entire food chain is reputable, and I believe him.@SC Maintenance
Mobil and Castrol got into a well-known dispute over what synthetic oil was and was not. Yet Mobil's competition publishes advertising contending their product didn't even meet basic advertised spec, and they did nearly nothing about it. Okay.
I don't have a dog in their fight and I'm not looking to convince anybody, but you asked why I made the conclusion I did.
In these big oil companies, people often move to the lubricants divisions before retirement, looking for something steady and less demanding. Therefore, getting someone to talk is pretty unlikely, with realistic chances being slim to none. The world of lubrication specialists and experts is quite small, and everyone tends to know everyone else. Most certainly, these people don't tend to come here, and when they do, they don't stay very long. There are a few exceptions, but those are rare, and they've already shared as much as they wanted to. Just ask @Foxtrot08.We need somebody that has been in the trenches all of their life like a real insider to resolve this.
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Agree 100%. Well saidIn these big oil companies, people often move to the lubricants divisions before retirement, looking for something steady and less demanding. Therefore, getting someone to talk is pretty unlikely, with realistic chances being slim to none. The world of lubrication specialists and experts is quite small, and everyone tends to know everyone else. Most certainly, these people don't tend to come here, and when they do, they don't stay very long. There are a few exceptions, but those are rare, and they've already shared as much as they wanted to. Just ask @Foxtrot08.