Anyone know about the UFO disclosure project

[buster]

There isn’t really any question anymore that these things exist. The only question is what their actual origin may be.

Agreed.

 

[thastinger]

If they recovered biological aliens from a crash site then they live here with us, the distances are just to vast for bodies to make the trip from even the nearest star.
Machine AI would be far more logical to be our first contact but I don't think we will find other intelligent life before we extinct ourselves or Yellowstone resets us a million years.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

I’d love to have a better understanding of the conspiratorial mind because it drives the motives of so many Americans these days and my brain just doesn’t work that way.

I don't want to derail the thread because the testimony is really interesting especially with regards to responses to certain questions. In any case IMO to answer your question I would start by saying "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me."

Aside from certain individual character traits It's born out of a loss of trust.

 

[buster]

Yellowstone resets us a million years.

Yeah that's pretty scary.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

If they recovered biological aliens from a crash site then they live here with us, the distances are just to vast for bodies to make the trip from even the nearest star.
Machine AI would be far more logical to be our first contact but I don't think we will find other intelligent life before we extinct ourselves or Yellowstone resets us a million years.

Did you hear the response about theoretical "multidimensionality" regarding space travel? It falls back on String Theory. The great thing about science is that we don't know what we don't know and perhaps one day we can chip away at that and perhaps gets a little outside help in the process.

 

[PWMDMD]

There is supposedly classified physical evidence. It’s a fact that there is corroborating visual and sensor data of UAPs, and I consider that hard evidence.

There isn’t really any question anymore that these things exist. The only question is what their actual nature and origin may be.


We are now in a different paradigm; it is no longer reasonable to deny that these phenomena exist or even that there was a conspiracy to cover up evidence. Continuing to do so is cognitive dissonance at work.

In understanding our universe it is important both to remain skeptical of what is apparently unsubstantiated, AND accept what is apparently substantiated. While there are people with wild unhinged speculations, there are others who cling to incorrect past models. Both are believing what they want to be true rather than what the current evidence of truth is.

I remain skeptical until there is absolutely no doubt. No dog in this fight and I hope these really are alien UFOs. Miraculous claims require miraculous evidence and not just some evidence. Like I said, I hope this current push for transparency gives us closure one way or the other.

 

[PWMDMD]

Did you hear the response about theoretical "multidimensionality" regarding space travel? It falls back on String Theory. The great thing about science is that we don't know what we don't know and perhaps one day we can chip away at that and perhaps gets a little outside help in the process.

String theory has gone nowhere in the past 50 years with our brightest minds working on it and it remains a very loose framework that doesn't actually explain anything completely - it explains some things reasonable well and somethings it doesn't explain at all. It could very well be a dead end.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

I remain skeptical until there is absolutely no doubt. No dog in this fight and I hope these really are alien UFOs. Miraculous claims require miraculous evidence and not just some evidence. Like I said, I hope this current push for transparency gives us closure one way or the other.

Are you skeptical of the mere existence of UAPs? There is miraculous evidence for this. It is well established and corroborated in official congressional reports. There are phenomena being investigated.

Don’t mix up the speculation with the facts. It’s not substantiated these are alien yet. But at this point there’s little doubt that certain documented observations are real.

 

[PWMDMD]

Are you skeptical of the mere existence of UAPs? There is miraculous evidence for this. It is well established and corroborated in official congressional reports. There are phenomena being investigated.

I’m skeptical they are alien in origin.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

Pretty suspect that all of the sudden we admit to having this out of world tech when Russia is flexing the nuke muscles. Same thing happened with the moon "landing"

This has been an ongoing process. I'd say ten years at least, and that is only counting on the more recent encounters (mostly) naval aviators have had off the coast of Virginia. Then there are the apocryphal stories from the Cold War of varying degrees of plausibility such as losing control of ICBM's at bases or the Rendlesham Forest incident (which I think is mostly bogus). There's nothing particularly new here so not sure what would be "suspect". It's mostly "whistleblowers" stating there is evidence of off-world technology and even deceased alien species in custody and the official line denies it. Russia is already acutely aware they have a severe technological disadvantage against the West as evidenced by their use of our electronics in their systems they cannot replicate on their own...

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

I’m skeptical they are alien in origin.

That’s fair given what the public info seems to be right now.

 

[PWMDMD]

We tend to think of ourselves as intelligent beings. I dont really think so, not yet. In many respects what we consider lower life forms have more respect for each other.
Anyway earth is over 4 billion years old, who knows who was here first or who still may be here or who discovered us in-between?

Back to ourselves thinking we are intelligent to know the answers to everything science. As little as 120,000 years ago mankind discovered a magic thing to keep warm, fire. Our knowledge of ourselves is still to this day limited. Trying to cure diseases, why certain of our kind resort to actions that they do. We dont even fully know what is under our oceans nor even close to knowing all the species on earth. We dont fully understand all the processes of our own bodies.
We are not as smart as we think we are, no smarter than those that will look back at us in 120,000 years, like we look back at the guy that discovered fire.

We try to explain things that we have no knowledge of but that doesnt mean we should discount them anymore than the cave man who discovered fire might of

BTW- just discussing I love discussions and viewpoints on this stuff. I certainly have no answers I just kind of try to understand why we may have no answers and I think maybe its so far out of our understanding of the world and all physical things as we see them that we dont know what they are. I mean we are still, as far as I think, primitive barbarians, I do think we are advancing for sure, but then again, Im not sure! Sometimes I think maybe just defective and the beings that might have put us here know that and why they put us here *LOL*

I get what you are trying to say. We don’t know what we don’t know. However, one can’t claim string theory supports a position (traveling great distance in little time) and that we are simultaneously too dumb to understand string theory. We’d have to understand string theory sufficiently well enough to support that claim. We don’t and so it doesn’t.

 

[Chris142]

Hopefully they don't ask to speak to our leader.

 

[UncleDave]

I hope these really are alien UFOs.

I do not. This is the worst outcome I can imagine for humanity.



To the conspiracy comment.

At what point is this not a conspiracy anymore ?

We've got supremely qualified people testifying to congress now, and our congressmen themselves telling us they are disturbed by what they are seeing and that we deserve to know more but cant tell us.

Then we have Grusch insinuating people are being injured and killed.

 

[IndyIan]

So if humanity masters the technology of interstellar travel someday(probably using some kind of space/time folding method?), and we have the ability to travel the galaxy, are we going to have brightly lighted ships zipping around in the atmosphere of a planet with semi intelligent life and occasionally crashing into it(but only in very remote places), if we are trying to hide our presence? I don't think its very likely....
Maybe its alien teenagers out joy riding? Seems again unlikely....

I don't know what the good explanations are for these observations, but aliens seems to be pretty far down the list of possibilities.

 

[alarmguy]

The human lineage was very likely using fire at least 300,000-700,000 years ago, and potentially greater than 1 million years ago. Estimates in to 40k - 120k range are too recent. There was no single individual who discovered fire.

Its suspected that the use of fire to cook influenced our evolution; it essentially allowed us to begin digestion outside our bodies, enabling us to exploit a broader range of foods, including meats. This, in turn, allowed our ancient ancestors to meet the nutritional and caloric requirements for larger brains.

If you notice I said as little as (made no reference to 40k) 120,000 years ago but I see you acknowledge as little as 300,000 years ago. Not really much of a spread between the two in the context of such a long time ago to something we will never have an answer for. No one knows what happened and what time frame except I think it's pretty normal to assume we are primitive to what we will be looked back on 120,000 years from now.

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

I do not. This is the worst outcome I can imagine for humanity.



To the conspiracy comment.

At what point is this not a conspiracy anymore ?

We've got supremely qualified people testifying to congress now, and our congressmen themselves telling us they are disturbed by what they are seeing and that we deserve to know more but cant tell us.

Then we have Grusch insinuating people are being injured and killed.

If these phenomena wanted us all dead, we’d probably all be dead already.

 

[alarmguy]

I do not. This is the worst outcome I can imagine for humanity.



To the conspiracy comment.

At what point is this not a conspiracy anymore ?

We've got supremely qualified people testifying to congress now, and our congressmen themselves telling us they are disturbed by what they are seeing and that we deserve to know more but cant tell us.

Then we have Grusch insinuating people are being injured and killed.

If these phenomena wanted us all dead, we’d probably all be dead already.

If you watch the actual YouTube testimony you will find out what you are mistakenly responding to as "these phenomena" are people associated with our government and or contractors.
Everyone commenting would help if they watched the entire testimony.

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

This has been an ongoing process. I'd say ten years at least, and that is only counting on the more recent encounters (mostly) naval aviators have had off the coast of Virginia. Then there are the apocryphal stories from the Cold War of varying degrees of plausibility such as losing control of ICBM's at bases or the Rendlesham Forest incident (which I think is mostly bogus). There's nothing particularly new here so not sure what would be "suspect". It's mostly "whistleblowers" stating there is evidence of off-world technology and even deceased alien species in custody and the official line denies it. Russia is already acutely aware they have a severe technological disadvantage against the West as evidenced by their use of our electronics in their systems they cannot replicate on their own...

Good points, lived in the desert for many years and saw some pretty strange things. I'm all for it coming out. About time.

 

[alarmguy]

I get what you are trying to say. We don’t know what we don’t know. However, one can’t claim string theory supports a position (traveling great distance in little time) and that we are simultaneously too dumb to understand string theory. We’d have to understand string theory sufficiently well enough to support that claim. We don’t and so it doesn’t.

Certainly do not disagree with you, why I keep saying, I honestly and truly do not think we are so advanced to understand anything because we dont and why I do not think for the tiny, tiny fraction of time we have been on this tiny little planet out of the whole universe as we know it and beyond that human beings know much of anything. We will be learning for hopefully 100s thousands more years.