I would look into Honda CRV, VW Tiguan, Ford. Nissan makes really bad trannys from what i have heard...
Any reasons not to buy a 2016 nissan rouge?
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Sounds like you're a better candidate for leasing whatever vehicle you get. In that price range for the wife, check out the Subaru lineup.
Not all CVT are bad, but the Nissan CVT is such a bad one that gives all CVTs a bad name. I would rather have a oxcart over a Nissan CVT.
Without comparing the models, Mazda > Hyundai > Nissan in Consumer Reports manufacturer reliability.
Nissan is not what is was or used to be (pre-1990s). People think that all Japanese vehicles will last and Nissan (along with Mitzu) are the exception that proves the rule. I would go with a Toyota CVT or Subaru CVT without a question. Mazda would be another prime choice.
Mazda has been nipping at Toyota's heels for reliability (and done so for a while even when releasing new vehicle mechanics) and beating Honda like a rented mule... so I would still go with a Mazda over anything else. You looked at the Grand Touring (high trim) so if you can't swing that price, drop down to a "regular" Touring or sport. I would have gone with Mazda over Subaru if it was not for Subie's better AWD system but I do not thing you need that.
Personally, I find the CVT in the Subaru ingenious including for heavy hill/mountain use. When was the last time you heard of a Prius transmission issue? So, CVTs can be done correctly.
Without comparing the models, Mazda > Hyundai > Nissan in Consumer Reports manufacturer reliability.
Nissan is not what is was or used to be (pre-1990s). People think that all Japanese vehicles will last and Nissan (along with Mitzu) are the exception that proves the rule. I would go with a Toyota CVT or Subaru CVT without a question. Mazda would be another prime choice.
Mazda has been nipping at Toyota's heels for reliability (and done so for a while even when releasing new vehicle mechanics) and beating Honda like a rented mule... so I would still go with a Mazda over anything else. You looked at the Grand Touring (high trim) so if you can't swing that price, drop down to a "regular" Touring or sport. I would have gone with Mazda over Subaru if it was not for Subie's better AWD system but I do not thing you need that.
Personally, I find the CVT in the Subaru ingenious including for heavy hill/mountain use. When was the last time you heard of a Prius transmission issue? So, CVTs can be done correctly.
Purchase what your wife likes. This vehicle is competitive to the rest of them just comes down to individual likes. I cannot think of any bad choices in this segment. Each has an attribute that is better then rest so it comes down to what flavor ice cream you like best.
Actually I realize you trade quickly. Subaru, Toyota and Honda top out in resale..Nissan is 2nd to third tier with respect to that.
Actually I realize you trade quickly. Subaru, Toyota and Honda top out in resale..Nissan is 2nd to third tier with respect to that.
Originally Posted By: moparguy19
are there any reasons not to buy the nissan? How the reliability of them?
How long are you planning to keep it?
If you like everything else about it, and are just worried the CVT will fail, then look into an extended drivetrain warranty (factory drivetrain warranty is 5years/60K miles). Don't need to buy it now. You can wait until your original warranty is almost up, and decide then, if you still feel like keeping it at that point. People change their minds all the time - our life priorities change, we get annoyed with some features, we fall in love with something newer/better, the car gets totalled, etc.
are there any reasons not to buy the nissan? How the reliability of them?
How long are you planning to keep it?
If you like everything else about it, and are just worried the CVT will fail, then look into an extended drivetrain warranty (factory drivetrain warranty is 5years/60K miles). Don't need to buy it now. You can wait until your original warranty is almost up, and decide then, if you still feel like keeping it at that point. People change their minds all the time - our life priorities change, we get annoyed with some features, we fall in love with something newer/better, the car gets totalled, etc.
What's wrong with the dart? Its two years old and you're trading it in?
I have no wonder that you had "financial issues" while previously shopping for a car.
Why does she need a new, smallish SUV? Especially for 29k.
Buy a Golf Sportwagen, for $18-19k and it will have more cargo space, drive better, and get better mpg. Take the 10k and max your Roth IRAs (like should be done each year).
Either way, good luck.
I have no wonder that you had "financial issues" while previously shopping for a car.
Why does she need a new, smallish SUV? Especially for 29k.
Buy a Golf Sportwagen, for $18-19k and it will have more cargo space, drive better, and get better mpg. Take the 10k and max your Roth IRAs (like should be done each year).
Either way, good luck.
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Originally Posted By: moparguy19
Hey all, been awhile since I posted but me and my wife are again thinking of trading in her dart.
LTWD*
*let the wife decide
Anything you buy should go 100K and you probably won't own it by then.
Hey all, been awhile since I posted but me and my wife are again thinking of trading in her dart.
LTWD*
*let the wife decide
Anything you buy should go 100K and you probably won't own it by then.
Yeah at least Mitsu SUV-CUV's don't drink oil
our economy ones that do errand's have been bullet proof and neither has ever been back
to the dealer for any issues with exception of a seat belt recall for which was a bunch of nonsense.
Nissan quality control has been a known issue for a very long time.
I can't tell you why as I never researched it but the local transmission repair shop parking lots are always filled with late model Mazda's????????
our economy ones that do errand's have been bullet proof and neither has ever been back
to the dealer for any issues with exception of a seat belt recall for which was a bunch of nonsense.
Nissan quality control has been a known issue for a very long time.
I can't tell you why as I never researched it but the local transmission repair shop parking lots are always filled with late model Mazda's????????
Originally Posted By: racin4ds
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Trav
CVT=RUN! These slide and drive transmission are the biggest POS ever foisted on the buyer and Nissan makes the worst of them.
I don't know about the Rogue in particular but Nissan in general has gone down hill since their marriage to Renault....head gasket issues, CVT issues, etc....
This! We've owned 2 Nissans since the Renault venture and they were both total garbage! Run from any Nissan assembled in Mexico with the Renault engine!
I don't know if I would blame Renault, however sketchy Renault's own cars are. It's more like Nissan just quit trying in 1992. Nissan suspension systems have really improved since the merger. Nissans designed before 2000 have horrible weak suspension. Nissans built since 2007ish seem horrificamente cheaply made, cost cutting on every corner.
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: Trav
CVT=RUN! These slide and drive transmission are the biggest POS ever foisted on the buyer and Nissan makes the worst of them.
I don't know about the Rogue in particular but Nissan in general has gone down hill since their marriage to Renault....head gasket issues, CVT issues, etc....
This! We've owned 2 Nissans since the Renault venture and they were both total garbage! Run from any Nissan assembled in Mexico with the Renault engine!
I don't know if I would blame Renault, however sketchy Renault's own cars are. It's more like Nissan just quit trying in 1992. Nissan suspension systems have really improved since the merger. Nissans designed before 2000 have horrible weak suspension. Nissans built since 2007ish seem horrificamente cheaply made, cost cutting on every corner.
Nissan's customer support stinks.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Nissan's customer support stinks.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
I have known a few unhappy with corporate Nissan owners. This does not seem to happen with other car makers like gm, ford, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Nissan seems to be lacking here in a few cases with acquaintances and friends. Very expensive fixes related known problems with no help from Nissan.
Nissan's customer support stinks.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
I have known a few unhappy with corporate Nissan owners. This does not seem to happen with other car makers like gm, ford, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Nissan seems to be lacking here in a few cases with acquaintances and friends. Very expensive fixes related known problems with no help from Nissan.
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Nissan's customer support stinks.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
I have known a few unhappy with corporate Nissan owners. This does not seem to happen with other car makers like gm, ford, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Nissan seems to be lacking here in a few cases with acquaintances and friends. Very expensive fixes related known problems with no help from Nissan.
There will always be good and bad ownership experiences with any brand. My parents' experiences with Nissan/Infiniti have been quite the opposite of yours: multiple cars over the past few decades and no complaints whatsoever. Reliable, good service, and pleasant dealings with the sales & service departments.
As to OP's original question: the newer Nissan CVTs are much-improved. I've had tons of CVT-equipped Nissan rental cars and I don't find the transmission bad at all. I'd actually say their CVT is better than Honda's.
BTW: the spelling is "Rogue". Rouge means red.
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Nissan's customer support stinks.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
I have known a few unhappy with corporate Nissan owners. This does not seem to happen with other car makers like gm, ford, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Nissan seems to be lacking here in a few cases with acquaintances and friends. Very expensive fixes related known problems with no help from Nissan.
There will always be good and bad ownership experiences with any brand. My parents' experiences with Nissan/Infiniti have been quite the opposite of yours: multiple cars over the past few decades and no complaints whatsoever. Reliable, good service, and pleasant dealings with the sales & service departments.
As to OP's original question: the newer Nissan CVTs are much-improved. I've had tons of CVT-equipped Nissan rental cars and I don't find the transmission bad at all. I'd actually say their CVT is better than Honda's.
BTW: the spelling is "Rogue". Rouge means red.
Originally Posted By: racin4ds
This! We've owned 2 Nissans since the Renault venture and they were both total garbage! Run from any Nissan assembled in Mexico with the Renault engine!
According to Wikipedia, the Rouge is made in Tennessee or South Korea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Rogue
Production of the 2014 Nissan Rogue began at Smyrna, Tennessee as the facility's 10 millionth vehicle.
Production of the Nissan Rogue crossover at South Korean manufacturer Renault Samsung Motors's Busan plant started in September 2014, with an annual capacity of about 80,000 units.
It's unclear to me as to if it's made in both places, or was made in USA and now made in Koera.
More importantly, if for some reason you have to buy a Japanese branded car, why not get a good one like a Honda or Toyota? Otherwise you are better off with a Ford.
This! We've owned 2 Nissans since the Renault venture and they were both total garbage! Run from any Nissan assembled in Mexico with the Renault engine!
According to Wikipedia, the Rouge is made in Tennessee or South Korea:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Rogue
Production of the 2014 Nissan Rogue began at Smyrna, Tennessee as the facility's 10 millionth vehicle.
Production of the Nissan Rogue crossover at South Korean manufacturer Renault Samsung Motors's Busan plant started in September 2014, with an annual capacity of about 80,000 units.
It's unclear to me as to if it's made in both places, or was made in USA and now made in Koera.
More importantly, if for some reason you have to buy a Japanese branded car, why not get a good one like a Honda or Toyota? Otherwise you are better off with a Ford.
My rogue was the last real Nissan Japanese buial one. Believe me the spring rate and shock valving are VERY refined on the Rogue Select ( the one with the "used bar of soap, super-aerodynamic shape.) The new one looked fancier but felt "cheaper" A couple women at work bought new rogues. They are still only getting 24 MPG. Garbage fuel mileage.
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Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Nissan's customer support stinks.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
I have known a few unhappy with corporate Nissan owners. This does not seem to happen with other car makers like gm, ford, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Nissan seems to be lacking here in a few cases with acquaintances and friends. Very expensive fixes related known problems with no help from Nissan.
My problems:
1) Engine developed a 'ticking' sound at around 20K on it. I thought it was nothing. When it had 46k on it, found out from a Nissan tech that there was a service bulletin out on the 'ticking' sound that the exhaust manifolds were cracked and needed to be replaced. This service bulletin was dated before I had noticed the sound. Nissan refused to pay for the manifolds. Retail for two manifolds and labor - $2,400.
2) Every once in a blue moon I would put on the brakes and the pedal would bounce uncontrollably and the brakes almost wouldn't work. Stopping and turning key on and off fixed the problem. After it happened three times I took it into the dealer. They said it was a part inside the vacuum booster that sensed where the pedal was. The tech showed me a service bulletin that was dated years before that explained the issue. Once again, Nissan refused to pay for the new booster. Retail parts and labor - $1,200.
Edit: Oh, and each time I ran it up the chain to the highest level.
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Nissan's customer support stinks.
Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.
Personally, never buying another Nissan product.
I have known a few unhappy with corporate Nissan owners. This does not seem to happen with other car makers like gm, ford, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Nissan seems to be lacking here in a few cases with acquaintances and friends. Very expensive fixes related known problems with no help from Nissan.
My problems:
1) Engine developed a 'ticking' sound at around 20K on it. I thought it was nothing. When it had 46k on it, found out from a Nissan tech that there was a service bulletin out on the 'ticking' sound that the exhaust manifolds were cracked and needed to be replaced. This service bulletin was dated before I had noticed the sound. Nissan refused to pay for the manifolds. Retail for two manifolds and labor - $2,400.
2) Every once in a blue moon I would put on the brakes and the pedal would bounce uncontrollably and the brakes almost wouldn't work. Stopping and turning key on and off fixed the problem. After it happened three times I took it into the dealer. They said it was a part inside the vacuum booster that sensed where the pedal was. The tech showed me a service bulletin that was dated years before that explained the issue. Once again, Nissan refused to pay for the new booster. Retail parts and labor - $1,200.
Edit: Oh, and each time I ran it up the chain to the highest level.
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Thanks everyone for the info. Went this morning a test drove the 2016 tucson limited and that is a fine vehical all the way round. Does anyone here have any experience with the hyundai?
Just bought a Genesis Coupe. After 100 miles it has been 100% reliable.
Hyundai has been good of late. Maybe not Toyota good but they are nipping at Honda's heels. Redesigns have been better. CR lists it as reliable online with only the 10-11 having minor transmission troubles. The 12-15 are excellent. I think it ranks behind Subaru and Toyota smaller CUV offerings, but ahead of the Rogue.
Just FYI, you must keep every record if you want to keep Hyundai to that warranty they advertise. They tend not to give folks the benefit of the doubt (I am used to that with Subaru).
Hyundai has been good of late. Maybe not Toyota good but they are nipping at Honda's heels. Redesigns have been better. CR lists it as reliable online with only the 10-11 having minor transmission troubles. The 12-15 are excellent. I think it ranks behind Subaru and Toyota smaller CUV offerings, but ahead of the Rogue.
Just FYI, you must keep every record if you want to keep Hyundai to that warranty they advertise. They tend not to give folks the benefit of the doubt (I am used to that with Subaru).
Originally Posted By: SumpChump
Originally Posted By: Trav
CVT=RUN! These slide and drive transmission are the biggest POS ever foisted on the buyer and Nissan makes the worst of them.
Well, my Nissan CVT experience in 2010-2011 was a disaster. New car and all... CVT had problems. Got a new '13 Corolla with the 4 speed auto.... Problem solved.
And now even the venerable Corolla won't come with a true auto transmission after 2016. Only the CVT. Toyota worked hard and they finally found a way to insert complexity and unreliability into the bullet proof Corolla. Well done Toyota. The mantra of "down with maintainability!" Will certainly pay off.
I like the "crystal balls" here on BITOG that say a soon to be released new model with a CVT is gonna be bad because it's a CVT. Another "new technology resistant syndrome" here on BITOG.
Originally Posted By: Trav
CVT=RUN! These slide and drive transmission are the biggest POS ever foisted on the buyer and Nissan makes the worst of them.
Well, my Nissan CVT experience in 2010-2011 was a disaster. New car and all... CVT had problems. Got a new '13 Corolla with the 4 speed auto.... Problem solved.
And now even the venerable Corolla won't come with a true auto transmission after 2016. Only the CVT. Toyota worked hard and they finally found a way to insert complexity and unreliability into the bullet proof Corolla. Well done Toyota. The mantra of "down with maintainability!" Will certainly pay off.
I like the "crystal balls" here on BITOG that say a soon to be released new model with a CVT is gonna be bad because it's a CVT. Another "new technology resistant syndrome" here on BITOG.
Originally Posted By: moparguy19
Thanks everyone for the info. Went this morning a test drove the 2016 tucson limited and that is a fine vehical all the way round. Does anyone here have any experience with the hyundai?
I have driven 3600 trouble free miles since purchasing my Hyundai in April.
The car handles at stops like a manual (I creep back on flat ground if not pressing the brake)
A lot of power!
The car handled really well the night of the 30th/morning of the 1st in Lafayette Flooding
I would also look at the Crosstrek like I said, I have seen Louisiana, If I lived there, AWD or 4x4 would be a choice for me.
Thanks everyone for the info. Went this morning a test drove the 2016 tucson limited and that is a fine vehical all the way round. Does anyone here have any experience with the hyundai?
I have driven 3600 trouble free miles since purchasing my Hyundai in April.
The car handles at stops like a manual (I creep back on flat ground if not pressing the brake)
A lot of power!
The car handled really well the night of the 30th/morning of the 1st in Lafayette Flooding
I would also look at the Crosstrek like I said, I have seen Louisiana, If I lived there, AWD or 4x4 would be a choice for me.
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Originally Posted By: CKN
I like the "crystal balls" here on BITOG that say a soon to be released new model with a CVT is gonna be bad because it's a CVT. Another "new technology resistant syndrome" here on BITOG.
Yeah, but it comes from "esteemed" members, so it's GOT to be true.
To me, saying a present day CVT is potentially worse than a new model 6, 7, 8 speed AT is ridiculous.
My in-laws have a new 2016 Rogue, higher-end model. It's a nice looking vehicle IMO, but I like pretty much everything about my 2016 base model Forester better. Comfort, fit/finish, visibility, driveability.
I like the "crystal balls" here on BITOG that say a soon to be released new model with a CVT is gonna be bad because it's a CVT. Another "new technology resistant syndrome" here on BITOG.
Yeah, but it comes from "esteemed" members, so it's GOT to be true.
To me, saying a present day CVT is potentially worse than a new model 6, 7, 8 speed AT is ridiculous.
My in-laws have a new 2016 Rogue, higher-end model. It's a nice looking vehicle IMO, but I like pretty much everything about my 2016 base model Forester better. Comfort, fit/finish, visibility, driveability.
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