Any reasons not to buy a 2016 nissan rouge?

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Originally Posted By: JTK
Originally Posted By: CKN

I like the "crystal balls" here on BITOG that say a soon to be released new model with a CVT is gonna be bad because it's a CVT. Another "new technology resistant syndrome" here on BITOG.


Yeah, but it comes from "esteemed" members, so it's GOT to be true.

To me, saying a present day CVT is potentially worse than a new model 6, 7, 8 speed AT is ridiculous.

My in-laws have a new 2016 Rogue, higher-end model. It's a nice looking vehicle IMO, but I like pretty much everything about my 2016 base model Forester better. Comfort, fit/finish, visibility, driveability.


My daughter-in-law just bought a brand new (SV) Rogue. Other than the ride being a little firmer than my 2012 Legacy-the Rogue IMHO is a nice vehicle. Riding in the back seat I couldn't feel any abrupt transmission issues.

BTW-to address another issue regarding customer service-Subaru's stinks. I had a paint problem that Corporate didn't want to fully cooperate on. When your setting 53 straight months of sales records...there is no motivation to make people happy.
 
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Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Just bought a Genesis Coupe. After 100 miles it has been 100% reliable.



That's funny right there I don't care who you are!! 99,900 miles of warranty left!


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Originally Posted By: CKN

I like the "crystal balls" here on BITOG that say a soon to be released new model with a CVT is gonna be bad because it's a CVT. Another "new technology resistant syndrome" here on BITOG.



Agreed, there's an absurd double-standard. While oil can advance and make huge leaps forward, there's no chance that something like a transmission ever could. *eye roll*

I'd bet that most of these folks haven't even driven newer CVTs or are still expecting them to behave like a traditional automatic. They are not supposed to, by definition. I get CVT-equipped Nissan rental cars routinely and I never find myself regretting it.

But hey, your car and your money so buy what makes you feel good, I guess.
 
Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Just bought a Genesis Coupe. After 100 miles it has been 100% reliable.



That's funny right there I don't care who you are!! 99,900 miles of warranty left!
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I drove a very low mile Altima rental last year, at 65 on the highway it had a slight but noticeable shudder/vibration in the CVT on slight uphill grades, otherwise it behaved ok. Around town in hilly NW Pa it was much more noticeable and sometimes didn't seem to know where it wanted to be. Definitely different in a way that after a week with it I wouldn't buy one. Better than the Forester we tried IMO. Maybe next generation.

If you commit to the CVT it will be fine, if you're on the fence it might annoy you the whole time you own the car. I can't convince myself I should have to "get used to" something like transmission function on a new car.
 
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Originally Posted By: dparm
I'd bet that most of these folks haven't even driven newer CVTs or are still expecting them to behave like a traditional automatic. They are not supposed to, by definition.


I'm still waiting for an automatic to act like a manual. You know, stay in the last gear I put it into.

Maybe I haven't driven enough different cars.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: dparm
I'd bet that most of these folks haven't even driven newer CVTs or are still expecting them to behave like a traditional automatic. They are not supposed to, by definition.


I'm still waiting for an automatic to act like a manual. You know, stay in the last gear I put it into.

Maybe I haven't driven enough different cars.


I have one of those. They are called manual valve bodies.
 
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Not all CVT are bad, but the Nissan CVT is such a bad one that gives all CVTs a bad name. I would rather have a oxcart over a Nissan CVT.

Without comparing the models, Mazda > Hyundai > Nissan in Consumer Reports manufacturer reliability.

Nissan is not what is was or used to be (pre-1990s). People think that all Japanese vehicles will last and Nissan (along with Mitzu) are the exception that proves the rule. I would go with a Toyota CVT or Subaru CVT without a question. Mazda would be another prime choice.

Mazda has been nipping at Toyota's heels for reliability (and done so for a while even when releasing new vehicle mechanics) and beating Honda like a rented mule... so I would still go with a Mazda over anything else. You looked at the Grand Touring (high trim) so if you can't swing that price, drop down to a "regular" Touring or sport. I would have gone with Mazda over Subaru if it was not for Subie's better AWD system but I do not thing you need that.

Personally, I find the CVT in the Subaru ingenious including for heavy hill/mountain use. When was the last time you heard of a Prius transmission issue? So, CVTs can be done correctly.


It isn't the behavior that i don't like about the Nissan CVTs, it's the fact that they just don't last. Honda's are also pretty good. The revs don't go all over and it doesn't lug the engine around so that the whole vehicle vibrates.

I'd take a CV-5 or an Escape over a Rogue any day.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: madRiver
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet
Nissan's customer support stinks.

Owned a 2004 Titan for 11 years. Had three major issues that Nissan refused to own up to.

Personally, never buying another Nissan product.


I have known a few unhappy with corporate Nissan owners. This does not seem to happen with other car makers like gm, ford, Toyota, Honda and Subaru. Nissan seems to be lacking here in a few cases with acquaintances and friends. Very expensive fixes related known problems with no help from Nissan.



There will always be good and bad ownership experiences with any brand. My parents' experiences with Nissan/Infiniti have been quite the opposite of yours: multiple cars over the past few decades and no complaints whatsoever. Reliable, good service, and pleasant dealings with the sales & service departments. Honda and Toyota Subaru dominate my locale along with gm Tahoe/suburban.





The issue with their vehicles was when major issue happened Nissan had no interest in stepping up to plate. One incident involved the 2nd CVT failed at 121k miles(changed
I believe otherwise their experience was positive. I would not count infinity because like Acura they beg more or less for folks to buy vehicles and repair and treatment of owners is completely different then the normal brand.

Maybe they have improved as currently with customer relations I know no one who actually buys Nissan products anymore.
 
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: dparm
I'd bet that most of these folks haven't even driven newer CVTs or are still expecting them to behave like a traditional automatic. They are not supposed to, by definition.


I'm still waiting for an automatic to act like a manual. You know, stay in the last gear I put it into.

Maybe I haven't driven enough different cars.


I have one of those. They are called manual valve bodies.


Have heard of those.

You'd think with today's electronically controlled transmissions someone would come up with an electronic box to do that. Then again, there's a lot going on in the transmission (how many solenoids today? would the box properly call for torque reduction? do you give up fault detection?), and no one would probably pay for it.
 
There are a few companies that make manual control boxes for the AW-4 transmission. 4 gears and lockup torque converter.

A friend of mine is running one in his CJ-7. It has a GM 3800SC engine, Isuzu rodeo Bellhousing and Cherokee AW-4 transmission.

Obviously the CJ doesn't have any means to talk to the transmission control module, the GM3800 computer isn't going to talk to it so it has to have a manual control box.
 
Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Just bought a Genesis Coupe. After 100 miles it has been 100% reliable.



That's funny right there I don't care who you are!! 99,900 miles of warranty left!


Darn straight. It is down to 99,890 or 3,645 days now. I just hope I do not need to make a warranty claim because I do not have a maintenance records yet!

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Personally, I prefer a good CVT to the regular slushbox and a slushbox to a Nissan CVT. Then again, all automatics are the tool of the devil, it is just picking which circle of heck you want to spend your driving eternity.
 
The Nissan has a button on the console next to the gear selector that is reg and sport. It should say Highway/city or ECO/NORMAL.
At every start the trans defaults to "NORMAL", but I bet most complainers here will have NO problems with the trans if it is in "sport" mode. Gone is 1100rpm lugging at 40mph, now engine will tach above 1700rpm min. Also these being HO alum head DOHC 4V with solid SUB mechanical valve tappets, and they ditched the variable intake, the engine is a bit soggy below 2 grand and will carbon up. Just keep some PEA gumout at each OC and run a mix of premium and reg Sunoco. and the engine will make its 175 HP. That more than my mid 80's mustang 5.0 HO 4 bbl.

I drive hard and my car gets carboned up. I cant run it hard enough to keep it clean. So in goes the Gumout full system PEA. This stuff works. Many perceived CVT issues is actually the ECU detuning the engine and attendant high misfire count when the Nissan QR 2.5 falls out of tune - Automatics want an engine making good vacuum and torque.

I own one, I'm working on keeping it running good, even if the E10 poor octane fuel prevalent in my area is conspiring to kill it at every turn!
 
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Originally Posted By: dparm
I've had tons of CVT-equipped Nissan rental cars and I don't find the transmission bad at all. I'd actually say their CVT is better than Honda's.


No offense but that's like a high class call girl, perfect in every way but a permanent relationship may be a little more than you bargained for.
 
Originally Posted By: supton


I'm still waiting for an automatic to act like a manual. You know, stay in the last gear I put it into.

Maybe I haven't driven enough different cars.


Citroen had a "semi automatic", you had to shift it through every gear but it had a torque converter so n clutch to mess with.
This was not an automatic with a manual valve body but a specially designed manual box, it work flawlessly and was solid as a tank.
I owned a CX for many years first as a daily driver then kept as a weekend driver along with the SM, they were my favorite cars of all time.

http://www.citroencarclub.org.uk/drupal/node/119
 
Toyota had a clutchless sequential manual gearbox as well... basically all the convenience of a manual with the sportiness and feeling of a automatic... with the user interface of a chromed-up Prius.

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Really, it was a Prius feeling gearbox that you had to bump to access each gear.
 
Originally Posted By: moparguy19
Thanks everyone for the info. Went this morning a test drove the 2016 tucson limited and that is a fine vehical all the way round. Does anyone here have any experience with the hyundai?



I just recently purchased a new 2016 Hyundai Santa Fe AWD. So far my wife and I love it. In my neck of the woods the 2017's are already in at the Hyundai dealer so they have red tagged the remaining 2016's. We got a smokin' deal. We did drive the Nissan Rouge as well as the Pathfinder. We found the Rouge to be kind of loud inside under acceleration. Also it didn't really excite us at all in the looks dept. The Pathfinder was nice but after test driving the Hyundai we couldn't pass up the deal. I feel it has a smooth ride for an SUV and it's quiet inside. We sat in a Tucson but didn't drive it. It was a 2017 and the same price as the '16 Santa Fe which is slightly bigger.

Also with the Hyundai (if you get the AWD model) it will run in front wheel drive unless you push a button locking it into AWD. I find this a nice feature for dry weather or highway driving. Probably saves a bit of gas too. Don't quote me but I think it's something like once you pass 20mph and AWD is not locked in, it goes to just front wheel drive.
 
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Originally Posted By: Sonic
Originally Posted By: moparguy19
Thanks everyone for the info. Went this morning a test drove the 2016 tucson limited and that is a fine vehical all the way round. Does anyone here have any experience with the hyundai?



I just recently purchased a new 2016 Hyundai Santa Fe AWD. So far my wife and I love it. In my neck of the woods the 2017's are already in at the Hyundai dealer so they have red tagged the remaining 2016's. We got a smokin' deal. We did drive the Nissan Rouge as well as the Pathfinder. We found the Rouge to be kind of loud inside under acceleration. Also it didn't really excite us at all in the looks dept. The Pathfinder was nice but after test driving the Hyundai we couldn't pass up the deal. I feel it has a smooth ride for an SUV and it's quiet inside. We sat in a Tucson but didn't drive it. It was a 2017 and the same price as the '16 Santa Fe which is slightly bigger.


Congrats the SantaFe! It is a great "little" sleeper in the segment. Way to work a deal!
 
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