Any nonrepeat Hybrid Buyers?

Change of plans - driver (MIL) wanted to “try” a hybrid for her last car. Back in June, I found a RX350h Premium that was in allocation status. It was built in late July and got delivered to the dealer last week. I picked it up last Friday and it is currently receiving PPF:

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The dealer was >400 miles away so I was able to get quite acquainted with the car during the drive home. Overall, it drives like a slightly more refined RAV4. Maybe 25% nicer. I think Toyota’s global architecture (TNGA) really improved their mainline offerings but it made their luxury vehicles less unique.

This car came out of their Canadian plant. Build quality isn’t anything special — I found one minor assembly issue and more dirt nibs in the paint than I expected. It is definitely a downgrade compared to my Prius and my in-law’s current ES350.

The 4th Gen Hybrid system operates quite differently than my Prius. The battery and electric motors are utilized more aggressively, especially at highway speeds. The Battery SOC also stays lower on the highway and fluctuates a lot more. The gas engine shuts off a lot during city driving, even if the gas engine is cold. Overall, the powertrain performs surprising well for a 4455 lb vehicle. Fuel economy is upper 30’s to lower 40’s in town, but only low to mid 30’s on the highway.

Lastly, I got a great deal on this car, probably better than I should have. Out of respect for the dealer and salesperson, I won’t go into details publicly, but let’s just say that it was well under msrp.
Would you consider this latest generation RX to be an improvement over the previous gen?
 
Would you consider this latest generation RX to be an improvement over the previous gen?
Debatable. I think it is a very different vehicle than the last generation: better (market competitive) tech, better fuel economy, more powertrain options. More sporty. On paper, the 0-60 times are actually better than the prior generation, even if the engine note sounds otherwise.

Modernizing the RX, by default, will always alienate it from its core audience. It is truly a situation of ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't.
 
Would you consider this latest generation RX to be an improvement over the previous gen?
The '21 RX45h F Sport has been a great choice; the non F Sport is too Lexus squishy for me. This one is not.
The RX has been the number one seller for Lexus and the hybrid system is as good as it gets.
I'm sure the new model is pretty great as well. It will sell like hotcakes and owners will love 'em. The other plus about Lexus is their dealers take care of you, at least as compared to most others. That's my experience.
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Gonna be non repeat buyer if all I can get is a GDI hybrid as they fuel dilution kills the oil.
Is it an issue with Toyota? they have both DI and port injection.

I change ours every 5k. No short trips. Oil seems normal coming out.
 
Is it an issue with Toyota? they have both DI and port injection.

I change ours every 5k. No short trips. Oil seems normal coming out.
It’s hit or miss with Toyota from what I can tell.

Current Sienna Hybrid doesn’t appear to dilute at all. However our previous one (totaled in wreck) started to show signs around 40K and mostly in colder weather.

I’m using Gumout every oil change in the new one and will be using VL R&P at some point soon to try to prevent it from happening. I’m thinking about waiting until spring though to use R&P just to see if it dilutes in the winter without it.
 
I moved from a 1/2 ton truck + hybrid SUV family to a 2 truck family. A 1/2 ton and a mid sized truck.

If there were a hybrid mid sized truck offering at the time that wasn't a giant compromise, I'd have gone that route.
 
Is it an issue with Toyota? they have both DI and port injection.

I change ours every 5k. No short trips. Oil seems normal coming out.
It's not as bad with port and DI.
Since it seems like auto makers are only concerned about how cheaply they pump out trash I'm wondering if port and DI is here to stay or if they'll "fix DI" where they go back to straight DI just to save money when it hasn't really been fixed at all, just slightly improved, but all the old problems are still there just not as bad or hidden better.
As of now our next new car is going to be our 2008 Hyundai sonata v6 with 270,000 miles. We're the original owners and it had a 70,000 mile engine put in at about 260,000ish miles. Now it has a transmission problem.
 
It's not as bad with port and DI.
Since it seems like auto makers are only concerned about how cheaply they pump out trash I'm wondering if port and DI is here to stay or if they'll "fix DI" where they go back to straight DI just to save money when it hasn't really been fixed at all, just slightly improved, but all the old problems are still there just not as bad or hidden better.
As of now our next new car is going to be our 2008 Hyundai sonata v6 with 270,000 miles. We're the original owners and it had a 70,000 mile engine put in at about 260,000ish miles. Now it has a transmission problem.
Mazda seems to have figured out DI with the Skyactiv engines.
 
I had a prius for 12 years and every day after the 10th year I worried about the hybrid battery dying and getting rid of it before it did. I like to keep my cars until the wheels fall off so I went with a regular gas car this year. The gas savings with a hybrid isn't much and it's one less major repair to worry about down the road.
 
I am in the market for a 2024+ Lexus RX350 or RX350h for my in-laws. As a longtime owner and supporter of Toyota hybrids, I am considering a non-hybrid this time for a few reasons:

- Annual Mileage: my in-laws drive 7K/yr and I only foresee that number decreasing over time. Over a 15 yr ownership period of 105K miles, assuming a 10 mpg differential at $5/gal, there is a $7500 operating cost advantage to the hybrid.

- Battery Cost: The chance of needing a new hybrid battery after 15 years is decently high, especially in a warm climate like mine. I have seen very poor results from remanufactured hybrid batteries, so those will never be an option to me. The cost of hybrid batteries on some newer Toyota's is significantly higher than before - it is a $6K+ expenditure. Even with the estimated $7500 fuel savings, the savings becomes <$1500.

- Vehicle Cost: I am finding non-hybrid models to be discounted and are also being built in configurations I prefer. The hybrid models tend to have significantly more optional equipment and the discounts are lower, especially in my preferred color combo. As a result, it will cost me at least $5K more to obtain a hybrid than a non-hybrid.
I bought a RAV4 Prime and won't own a hybrid again.

1) ICE and EV is compromised in a hybrid.
2) Maintenance is ICE+EV
3) Problems are ICE+EV
4) Acceleration and performance is worse than EV or ICE.
5) Toyota makes poorly engineered vehicles currently, so I would pass on that, anyway, unless you like leaking roofs, corroding cables, damaged airbags from water intrusion, fire risk if charged below 39*f, etc. My Kia is much better designed than my RAV4 Prime was, and what WAS poorly done, was just a reflash away from being fixed.
 
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