Anti-seize for spark plugs

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Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: beast3300
You don't need anti-seize on spark plugs. Any decent spark plug is coated with anti-rust coatings. If you change them at a decent interval there is no such need anyhow.

Try telling that to the owners of the Ford modular engines with two piece spark plugs...


No doubt. The company I work for doesn't allow us to remove plugs on the 3V. They rather refer the headache to the dealer.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: beast3300
I have serviced doezens of cars over the years with 100k and plugs always come out. Age is more of a factor then mileage. 100k on a 5 year old car vs 100k on a 15 year old car.

Good to hear. Thanks!


Sarcasm? All I can say is for 18 years, (12 of which I am paid as a profession to do) I have done car repair. If the manufacturer doesn't use it then why can we hope for by "improving" what the manufacturer does.

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Similar to the pounds of brake grease that some apply to the back of brake pads. The manufacturer doesn't do this so why do some still do this?
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Originally Posted By: beast3300
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: beast3300
You don't need anti-seize on spark plugs. Any decent spark plug is coated with anti-rust coatings. If you change them at a decent interval there is no such need anyhow.

Try telling that to the owners of the Ford modular engines with two piece spark plugs...


No doubt. The company I work for doesn't allow us to remove plugs on the 3V. They rather refer the headache to the dealer.


No anti-seize on a spark plug even on a modular unless a TSB says so. The TSB for the 3V plugs says to use it on the barrel of the plug.
 
The question was which antiseize would one use. I would use a Nickel based. However; I would also check on the small tubes of antiseize at the AP store. The writing on the tube will indicate what it is recommended for.
 
Originally Posted By: beast3300
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: beast3300
I have serviced doezens of cars over the years with 100k and plugs always come out. Age is more of a factor then mileage. 100k on a 5 year old car vs 100k on a 15 year old car.

Good to hear. Thanks!


Sarcasm? All I can say is for 18 years, (12 of which I am paid as a profession to do) I have done car repair. If the manufacturer doesn't use it then why can we hope for by "improving" what the manufacturer does.

No sarcasm at all. I was genuinely interested in your experience. I've got some plugs in my car that I did not use anti-seize on and that have been there for the past 40K miles and will not be coming out anytime soon, so I was just wondering whether I'll have any issues pulling them out. That was the only reason for my question.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: beast3300
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: beast3300
I have serviced doezens of cars over the years with 100k and plugs always come out. Age is more of a factor then mileage. 100k on a 5 year old car vs 100k on a 15 year old car.

Good to hear. Thanks!


Sarcasm? All I can say is for 18 years, (12 of which I am paid as a profession to do) I have done car repair. If the manufacturer doesn't use it then why can we hope for by "improving" what the manufacturer does.

No sarcasm at all. I was genuinely interested in your experience. I've got some plugs in my car that I did not use anti-seize on and that have been there for the past 40K miles and will not be coming out anytime soon, so I was just wondering whether I'll have any issues pulling them out. That was the only reason for my question.


Nope, you should not have any trouble at all. I use the cheapest Autolites in my Buick and they always come out. I don't think they are even coated like NGK or the platinum version Autolite.
 
I used this on the plugs for the Civic VX, apparently it has a 'blend' of copper/aluminum/graphite:

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accesso...ier=526814_0_0_

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Am I wrong for this?
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I'm using the OE NGK:

Seen here

PS: I only use some on the mid-section of the threads and the idea is to only have a small coating for the threads themselves, not down into the combustion chamber.
 
I just replaced the original plugs in my 2003 Pontiac Vibe.
The plugs were original - the vehicle has over 152k and is 9+ years old since it was bought in fall of 2002. The plugs came out fine...
 
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NGK specifically tells you NOT to use it. They even explain the rationale. In a nutshell,
- you could put too much causing it to foul the plug
- you could over torque the plug because of the lubricating properties of the anti-seize which would give lot more problems later
- NGK has plating on the threads which is supposed to sacrifice itself if the plug is stuck.

You can probably google the pdf file from NGK website.

- Vikas
 
I use a small amount of anti seize, especially around the plug seat. I don't think it matters which kind.
 
One just needs to decide whose set of rules they want to follow, because none of them are consistent.

My Caravan recommends either Champion or NGK plugs. The FSM recommends the use of antiseize regardless of the NGK stance.

Dissect the Permatex site and the silver says "use on spark plugs", the copper states " for steel plugs in aluminum", and the nickel doesn't even mention spark plugs.

Yet, bdcardinal sites Ford's recommendation to use the nickel (maybe because that's the only one they market??). But still, it must work o.k..

So, they all work and non use also works. There will never be a conscensus on this topic.

I always use a tiny dab of the silver, but it seems like the copper is Permatex's "rule". And, as a counter point: "I have used antiseize on my plugs for the past 40 years and never had a problem related to using it"
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One just needs to decide whose set of rules they want to follow, because none of them are consistent.

My Caravan recommends either Champion or NGK plugs. The FSM recommends the use of antiseize regardless of the NGK stance.

Dissect the Permatex site and the silver says "use on spark plugs", the copper states " for steel plugs in aluminum", and the nickel doesn't even mention spark plugs.

Yet, bdcardinal sites Ford's recommendation to use the nickel (maybe because that's the only one they market??). But still, it must work o.k..

So, they all work and non use also works. There will never be a conscensus on this topic.

I always use a tiny dab of the silver, but it seems like the copper is Permatex's "rule". And, as a counter point: "I have used antiseize on my plugs for the past 40 years and never had a problem related to using it"
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The end.

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if you dont put anti-sieze on what will you say to your self if something goes wrong. the trick is to use a SMALL amount, ie VERY SMALL
 
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
No anti-seize on a spark plug even on a modular unless a TSB says so. The TSB for the 3V plugs says to use it on the barrel of the plug.

What would happen if you used it without a TSB saying so?

Nothing...assuming of course that you do not "dunk it" in anti-seize. After working in the petro-chemical industry for the first 12 years of my working life, I have seen anti-seize make it possible to remove a nut or capscrew when the head or hexes were completely corroded off. If my modular was one of the ones with the problem, I would certainly be using it.
 
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