ANOTHER PureOne Filter Tear

[cheesepuffs]

Originally Posted By: Rand
you know fram owns purolator now right?


Uhh, no. Purolator is a joint venture between Bosch and Mann. Fram is owned by an entirely different group that owns multiple unrelated companies, including Reynolds (the tin foil company). Puro and Fram are not related.

 

[Padawan]

Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Originally Posted By: gomes512
Just out of curiosity what was the part #? Also what is the bypass spec for your Subie, it's something high isn't it?


It is the 14460, Subaru is spec-ed have the bypass relief at 23spi and the PureOne is 20-25 so it is the only aftermarket filter that is close to Subaru specs (Wix and Fram is somewhere around 8-12ish).


The Subaru-specific Fram PH9715 that I use on our cars is specified as 16-28 psi relief.

 

[FutureDoc]

Originally Posted By: Padawan
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Originally Posted By: gomes512
Just out of curiosity what was the part #? Also what is the bypass spec for your Subie, it's something high isn't it?


It is the 14460, Subaru is spec-ed have the bypass relief at 23spi and the PureOne is 20-25 so it is the only aftermarket filter that is close to Subaru specs (Wix and Fram is somewhere around 8-12ish).


The Subaru-specific Fram PH9715 that I use on our cars is specified as 16-28 psi relief.


When I enter in that filter number on my vehicle is comes back as a non-compliant fit. Fram's filter number for the '99 is the 3593A

 

[Padawan]

Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Originally Posted By: Padawan
Originally Posted By: FutureDoc
Originally Posted By: gomes512
Just out of curiosity what was the part #? Also what is the bypass spec for your Subie, it's something high isn't it?


It is the 14460, Subaru is spec-ed have the bypass relief at 23spi and the PureOne is 20-25 so it is the only aftermarket filter that is close to Subaru specs (Wix and Fram is somewhere around 8-12ish).


The Subaru-specific Fram PH9715 that I use on our cars is specified as 16-28 psi relief.


When I enter in that filter number on my vehicle is comes back as a non-compliant fit. Fram's filter number for the '99 is the 3593A


Correct , however the PH9715 is the Fram equivalent of the current 15208AA12A OEM filter and was introduced around the time that Fram/Honeywell began manufacturing that filter for Subaru. Unlike the 3593A, it's specified solely for Subaru applications. It will work anywhere the new OEM filter will, including your Outback. I use the PH9715 on our '01 Forester as well as our '06 Saab 9-2X Aero.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Now you see why I prefer Fram. Metal encaps on thin media = no room to wiggle = rip


It's been said many times that the reason these Purolators are tearing on the pleats next to the seam is because the pleat spacing is way too large, and the force from the oil flowing upon these pleats tries to push the pleats over, which puts stress into the root of the pleats (where they are glued to the end caps) which causes the (somewhat brittle) media to tear.

It seems the spacing has increased in the pleats near the seam. Not sure if Purolator is trying to reduce the pleat number and/or there is a manufacturing process that caused the pleats to be widely spaced near the pleat.

Bottom line is Purolator NEEDS to fix this on-going issue fast.

I emailed Purolator a link to this thread, and the previous thread(s) showing reports of torn media. I would HOPE Purolator's engineering department would be perking up on this what seems to be recurring failure.

 

[FutureDoc]

Thanks Padawan, I will check it out.

ZeeOSix, I was going to shoot Purolator an email tomorrow with hopefully better pics (light was fading quickly and that is why my images are "a white mess) because I had to brighten it up a lot to see the filter.

I wonder if the tear results in the oil forcing the pleats apart more

 

[Mach1Owner]

Anyone interested in cutting open a few brand new filters? Maybe these tears are there from day one, and just slowly grow during use.

 

[Eddie]

Another reason I prefere a cartridge filter.

 

[FutureDoc]

Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
Anyone interested in cutting open a few brand new filters? Maybe these tears are there from day one, and just slowly grow during use.


Maybe/Yes, I have no intention of using the filter I have for the fit (14610).

I will try and do that tomorrow.

Oh, Padawan, there is at least a Toughguard (TG9715) maybe in the works orfloating around as it is listed on Fram's sight. Can't find it for sale though

 

[Rolla07]

Im using a pureone right now. Im at 5k miles on the PU fill...so tempted to change it...might have to cut open the pureone to check for rips

 

[sir1900]

Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
Anyone interested in cutting open a few brand new filters? Maybe these tears are there from day one, and just slowly grow during use.


I cut a L14610 and a QS4386 open last weekend and found no tears. The tearing we are seeing is likely after usage for x miles.

 

[cheesepuffs]

Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Im using a pureone right now. Im at 5k miles on the PU fill...so tempted to change it...might have to cut open the pureone to check for rips


Please do! And share your findings.

 

[toneydoc]

That really does not look bad to me. Could have been related to the cutting and separating of the components possibly. I still love the Pure ones.

 

[cronk]

Thats why I use Wix. Cut open a Puro Classic off my brothers car with a torn pleat. The media was very brittle and easy to tear.
The media Wix uses is much stronger. I don't think I've ever seen a media tear on a Wix filter, not saying its impossible.

 

[gregk24]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Now you see why I prefer Fram. Metal encaps on thin media = no room to wiggle = rip


It's been said many times that the reason these Purolators are tearing on the pleats next to the seam is because the pleat spacing is way too large, and the force from the oil flowing upon these pleats tries to push the pleats over, which puts stress into the root of the pleats (where they are glued to the end caps) which causes the (somewhat brittle) media to tear.

It seems the spacing has increased in the pleats near the seam. Not sure if Purolator is trying to reduce the pleat number and/or there is a manufacturing process that caused the pleats to be widely spaced near the pleat.

Bottom line is Purolator NEEDS to fix this on-going issue fast.

I emailed Purolator a link to this thread, and the previous thread(s) showing reports of torn media. I would HOPE Purolator's engineering department would be perking up on this what seems to be recurring failure.


I dont know if you have check out the Fram Extra guard lately, but the pleat spacing on those are much wider than the Purolators. Even the TG 7317 I cut open had some large, un-even pleat spacing, but you dont see any Fram failures. I think the media itself is weak, and then once the pressure's on they tear.

 

[Phishin]

What's wrong with this filter for your Subaru?

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Oil-Filter-Gold-/_/R-FIL7712_0352281303

According to the popular Forester forum..... this bad boy has the 23psi bypass relief rating.....

Is this Napa Gold filter beter than the P1 that OP shows as being torn?

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Now you see why I prefer Fram. Metal encaps on thin media = no room to wiggle = rip


It's been said many times that the reason these Purolators are tearing on the pleats next to the seam is because the pleat spacing is way too large, and the force from the oil flowing upon these pleats tries to push the pleats over, which puts stress into the root of the pleats (where they are glued to the end caps) which causes the (somewhat brittle) media to tear.

It seems the spacing has increased in the pleats near the seam. Not sure if Purolator is trying to reduce the pleat number and/or there is a manufacturing process that caused the pleats to be widely spaced near the pleat.

Bottom line is Purolator NEEDS to fix this on-going issue fast.

I emailed Purolator a link to this thread, and the previous thread(s) showing reports of torn media. I would HOPE Purolator's engineering department would be perking up on this what seems to be recurring failure.


I dont know if you have check out the Fram Extra guard lately, but the pleat spacing on those are much wider than the Purolators. Even the TG 7317 I cut open had some large, un-even pleat spacing, but you dont see any Fram failures. I think the media itself is weak, and then once the pressure's on they tear.


You are both right. Puro's media does not seem to be able to handle the higher forces of wider pleat spacing. Fram is the king of wide pleats at the seam yet their media rarely tears. I've cut quite a few and also posted before that IMO Fram's media is stronger than most. That's how they get away with less of it. But I still wish they'd use more anyway.

I just used a Pure1 on my son's Chrysler a month ago, and still have a couple Puro's in the stash which I fully intend to use, but won't likely be buying anymore. Probably wouldn't have anyway though, I've pretty much settled on Napa Silvers and Tough Guards for future use.

 

[FutureDoc]

Ok, I want to rule out "biopsy error". I did not cut the filter by accident... and I have proof. First, this is how I disassembled the filter.

Hacksaw just below the rim. Here is the filter reassembled. As you can see, the cut is above the upper plate.

Next, I used a small pry bar to lift the upper plate.

Then, as you can see, there is quite a gap between the cut at the filter membrane assembly

Lifts out.

Back side of filter

Now, I said I had proof...
Here is the gasket side of the filter closer to where the cutting took place

Here is the bottom of the filter. IT FAILED TOO

There you go.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: gregk24
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
Now you see why I prefer Fram. Metal encaps on thin media = no room to wiggle = rip


It's been said many times that the reason these Purolators are tearing on the pleats next to the seam is because the pleat spacing is way too large, and the force from the oil flowing upon these pleats tries to push the pleats over, which puts stress into the root of the pleats (where they are glued to the end caps) which causes the (somewhat brittle) media to tear.

It seems the spacing has increased in the pleats near the seam. Not sure if Purolator is trying to reduce the pleat number and/or there is a manufacturing process that caused the pleats to be widely spaced near the pleat.

Bottom line is Purolator NEEDS to fix this on-going issue fast.

I emailed Purolator a link to this thread, and the previous thread(s) showing reports of torn media. I would HOPE Purolator's engineering department would be perking up on this what seems to be recurring failure.


I dont know if you have check out the Fram Extra guard lately, but the pleat spacing on those are much wider than the Purolators. Even the TG 7317 I cut open had some large, un-even pleat spacing, but you dont see any Fram failures. I think the media itself is weak, and then once the pressure's on they tear.


Every photo posted of a Purolator with a tear, it's always on one of the pleats next to the seam. That's where the pleat spacing is always wide on a Purolator. We never see media tears anyplace else.

I think it's a combination of wide pleat spacing and brittle, easily torn media. If you ever cut one open you can push the pleat over with your finger with a little bit of force near the base of the pleat (near the end cap) and you can hear the media tearing.

 

[FutureDoc]

Originally Posted By: Phishin
What's wrong with this filter for your Subaru?

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Oil-Filter-Gold-/_/R-FIL7712_0352281303

According to the popular Forester forum..... this bad boy has the 23psi bypass relief rating.....

Is this Napa Gold filter beter than the P1 that OP shows as being torn?


Been talking to some other Subaru folks about that and it is a possibility. Also corresponding to this Wix
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=57712

However, it has not come up as compliant or speced for the pre-99 Legacy Outback models. Now, it is likely "ok" but at the same time it is not. Napa "gives you" the 1334 as being the matching part.

FYI: All Foresters got the Phase II engine, my Outback has the Phase I... likely no difference but that is what might be screwing the part-recommendation up.