Another GR86 blown and warranty denied
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Looked like he had a few opportunities, but just kept on driving. Obviously he had no idea what was going on with the engine. Wish I could see if his oil pressure dummy light was on. He's lucky the engine bay didn't start on fire when the hole got punched and all that smoke started under the hood.
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Was surprised to learn that GR86 comes with oil pressure light like it's cousin Corrola.
Does it have oil temp gauge or a real water temp gauge or readout and not a dummy gauge most cars come with?
M1 has a 15W-50.
From Valvoline global:
Valvoline’s racing engine oils come in different viscosity grades, including 5W-50, 10W-60, and 20W-50.
Does it have oil temp gauge or a real water temp gauge or readout and not a dummy gauge most cars come with?
30 weight would be the new thin. lol
Should consider 50 or even 60 viscosity grades. At a minimum, a high HTHS Euro 40 (A3/B4, etc.)
Should consider 50 or even 60 viscosity grades. At a minimum, a high HTHS Euro 40 (A3/B4, etc.)
M1 has a 15W-50.
From Valvoline global:
Valvoline’s racing engine oils come in different viscosity grades, including 5W-50, 10W-60, and 20W-50.
Looks like the Mustang and the 911 had a bad tank of gas
combined with amateur drivers! Reports say they were older gentlemen revving up their engines a little performing Italian tuneup. The station wagon driver was reportedly an eager uber driver testing his pizza
delivery skills. He had a bigger purpose and more determined. He was also using thinner oil and weighed less.
Regardless of the collective wisdom of either the manufacturer or the Internet, I think anyone using a low-viscosity oil on the track is a fool. I'd use a dedicated track oil from someone like Red Line or HPL and I'd use the one they recommend.
Trying to get around physics isn't an easy endeavor and sometimes it might cost you a nice and expensive vehicle. But maybe that's just me.
Trying to get around physics isn't an easy endeavor and sometimes it might cost you a nice and expensive vehicle. But maybe that's just me.
Until a full inspection is released, I'm blaming the driver. Car is obviously modified which voids the warranty alone if it's just an intake and exhaust like what can be heard in the video.
Driver is not experienced, might be his first time at the track. That can be seen in the video with his lines and lack of heel-toe.
I've also never heard of a piston flying out because of oil starvation or running too light of an oil but there's a first for everything.
Just about every car that's marketed as fun and trackable under $200k has some sort of issue at the track stock. Every. Single. One. Unless you drive 911GT3/Cayman GT4.
The main point of failure in the vette/camaro brake systems are the miniscule rotors and pads, especially when paired with so much power and wide tires. An intermediate driver at a fast track like Road America can cook the stock rotors really fast.
Driver is not experienced, might be his first time at the track. That can be seen in the video with his lines and lack of heel-toe.
I've also never heard of a piston flying out because of oil starvation or running too light of an oil but there's a first for everything.
Just about every car that's marketed as fun and trackable under $200k has some sort of issue at the track stock. Every. Single. One. Unless you drive 911GT3/Cayman GT4.
The main point of failure in the vette/camaro brake systems are the miniscule rotors and pads, especially when paired with so much power and wide tires. An intermediate driver at a fast track like Road America can cook the stock rotors really fast.
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He notes no mods in the description of the video - intake/exhaust aren't going to be in play here unless the dealer/Toyota is an absolute stickler...I'm quite sure TRD sells the same type of mods which are warranty-kosher. Based on teh fact he even mentioned the track use or showed this video to Toyota indicates that he likely isn't hiding anything (who does that?).
Spend 5 minutes Googling "GR86 oil starvation". Huge posts on the 86 forums about it, on the main car sites, etc.
I agree with your last statement but if you can't drive like he did on the stock setup, that's an issue that would present itself more regularly on the street. I do some mountain cruises with folks in the same car that push harder than that. The most likely speculative scenario is the RTV blocking the oil pickup here, not BITOG 20W boogieman (I mean now even 30W isn't enough for driving harder than a grandma on BITOG?...good lord), driver, mods, etc.
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Ah I didn't see the video via YT. I wonder what the owner thinks is included in the 'engine modification' category but overall I don't think bolt-ons in an N/A car should wreck the stock tune enough blow it anyways. I've seen a stock STi engine with under 10K miles blow up coming out of the pits so this could be a manufacturing defect.
What I find interesting is Toyota states HPDE events is not racing but I don't think I know anybody who could or would successfully use that in an insurance or warranty claim. For "shiggles" though I'd like to see somebody record Toyota's statement of that and use it against an insurance or warranty claim and see what gets decided. This could be interesting on the legality of what could be considered racing.
This same type of issue happened last year if you do some searching. Same situation, RTV/oil starvation/blown motor during an AutoX event. Toyota denied. Internet "blasted them". Toyota backed up and covered it after the negative press. The same may happen here. It's a track event and I don't know anyone that covers things like that - it's not racing however as it's not competitive. Your auto insurance won't cover this kind of thing or accidents etc. either - I always buy a track insurance policy for HPDEs. That type of policy doesn't cover mechanical failures. The hive will sort this out through the massive negative press this gives Toyota to those looking at cars like this - again, google shows it all over the place at this point/social media/etc. If you do HPDE with your car, be prepared for the finanical impilications is my advice/someone who does this - however, I would not expect any new performance vehicle to require anything more than some front brake pads/high temp fluid/tires to go to the track and not blow up. He should pull the oil pan and inspect for the RTV issue as it's the most likely cause here. This is not a 20W thin oil issue as much as the BITOG gang wants it to always be (he was using 30!).
https://www.motortrend.com/news/toy...g turned up in the automaker's investigation.
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Yea I remember that one last year. I didn't realize they use a newer 2.4 engine now; I remember the previous engine in them had valvetrain issues at the track. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the verdict is.
He states no mods but I agree that the brakes are 100% not stock.
I noticed this guy's 86 is a '22 also. Hopefully whatever was causing the too-much-RTV issue has been fixed since then. A robot needed re-calibration perhaps?
Porsche 996? Nope. You will have that engine blowing due to improperly designed and lubricated IMF bearings and bore scoring issues.
Just track pads I'm sure which is a necessicity.
I'm not sure Mazda is a good example
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...-is-collecting-data-on-connected-cars.365457/
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