Another bite of the Zimmerman apple?

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Various civil rights leaders and others are encouraging demonstrations I think this coming weekend. There has already been a demonstration in Oakland, California where there was property damage and maybe injuries. So I am going to ask in advance, if some of those demonstrations turn violent and people are killed or injured, and if property belonging to people who had totally nothing to do with George Zimmerman and TM is destroyed, exactly how does all of that advance civil rights in this country? Oftentimes in these riots the damage is in the very neighborhoods of African Americans. So if somebody's restaurant gets burned to the ground, and that restaurant is in a low income area, and several local people lose their jobs and the owners lose their business, how does that advance civll rights? And if a store gets looted of goods, how does that advance civil rights?

I think there are a lot of politics going on here and the politicians are looking at the 2014 elections and they really only care about getting elected. They don't really care for anybody else. The politicians are playing ALL OF US! Think about it.



Really nailed it. Too much going on, this fits the agenda. 13 month old white baby shot in his stroller by two young blacks, NO MEDIA AT ALL. This entire case is a pure media creation, I am embarrassed for those who simply eat it up...

 

[Pablo]

If TM felt so threatened a) why didn't he dial 911 b) why did he circle back and jump GZ?

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: 123Saab
Lets just all start following "Suspicious" people and confront them while carrying arms, Just to make sure law abiding citizens that do carry arms can be even more stereotyped...

God forbid we actually admit The zimmerman case had nothing to do with guns or stand your ground.

The only reason this whole thing happened was because of his poor judgement. Period.


Remember that suspicion only applies when people want it to. See the roadblock thread on DUI checks. The baiting, videotaping kid, who refuses to roll his window down causing suspicion and probable cause is argued for to no end.

I see this as no different. Two people, both in the wrong. GZ is no saint, frankly he is an idiot of at least the same order as TM, if not worse. Its not right for outlets to smear him because they dont like an outcome, but neither is it right to defend GZ endlessly on pure speculation of what his behaviors truly were.

 

[Vikas]

If I were to be awarded the moderator hat, the next guy who starts the Zimmerman thread, will get permanent ban regardless of the status of the said individual.

May be I should just have a chat with Helen

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
If I were to be awarded the moderator hat, the next guy who starts the Zimmerman thread, will get permanent ban regardless of the status of the said individual.

May be I should just have a chat with Helen

Well thankfully your not a mod and hopefully you never will be so its a moot point. Running to the owner telling tales about how the mods should be doing their job is petty and childish.

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
If I were to be awarded the moderator hat, the next guy who starts the Zimmerman thread, will get permanent ban regardless of the status of the said individual.

May be I should just have a chat with Helen


These things are getting old, IMO, but in this one Ive not seen any real attacking or name calling, and the blatant race comments (I think) have all been removed. If there is anything we missed, feel free to hit notify.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

100% dead on right. It is DISGUSTING what they are doing( or thinking of doing ). Just so wrong on so many levels I wouldn't know where to begin. It sickens me.


I think it's "DISGUSTING" what they're doing, even though they haven't actually done anything (besides look at whether or not there is a civil rights case which should be considered). Umm....OK.

Please, can people save all of this indignation for if and when they actually charge GZ, or is it just OK to think about it and then be mad about it? It's funny, this whole thread has just deteriorated into another "he was looking for it by being a thug and walking around at 2:00 AM" thread. WHOSE not letting it go??? Time to look in the mirror, folks.


I am disgusted over WHY the Fed's are trying to see if they can go after GZ. It has nothing to do with a real crime being comitted. It is all about appeasing certain folks who are outraged that he wasn't convicted in the FL case. IF you think there are any other reasons but that why the Fed's are looking into this( again btw - FBI already did and found no grounds for charges )I don't know what else to say to you.

 

[Trav]

I agree going after the guy now its all over is criminal itself. The FBI didn't find anything so they should just let this go.
The justice brothers wont let that happen, they need to keep certain groups in a lather for their own agenda, its nothing to do with GZ, TM or even this case.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: Nick R



The issue I have is you are basing the assumption that he was heading back to his truck on his own testimony. therefor, is that the truth? We don't know. It is just as possible that he continued following Martin. there is no evidence one way or the other.
He followed Martin for several minutes and yet was still within 50 yards(? I've searched and can't find the actual number, which is telling, if it were a long way away it would have been all over everywhere) of his truck? And remember everyone said TM took off running. Seems the more likely scenario was GZ was messing around in the general area where he first saw TM take off running waiting for the police to get there. GZ story adds up, that's the bottom line. Any other scenarios you have to start making up a lot of info to make it work.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
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If I were to be awarded the moderator hat, the next guy who starts the Zimmerman thread, will get permanent ban regardless of the status of the said individual.

May be I should just have a chat with Helen

Well thankfully your not a mod and hopefully you never will be so its a moot point. Running to the owner telling tales about how the mods should be doing their job is petty and childish.

Whewwwwww!!!!

Avoided this topic but, since I'm here. First, regardless of anything else the outcome of that night is real tragedy and one that was clearly avoidable. Beyond that, both parties brought prejudices to the incident that night. GW is loser, a dbag and not to be praised.

All that said, based on the evidence, the law and the jury instructions from the judge, the jury's verdict was appropriate. To try a bring Federal charges now against GW will only further divide the country, besides being a no win and a waste of money.

 

[Cujet]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
If the "poor lad" had ANY social skills at all he might have talked to GZ instead of using the "hood" approach, and defused the whole thing,


I was taught to introduce myself, always.

Let's see where this could have gone... TM: "Hi, I'm Trayvon, who are you?" , GZ: I'm GZ, the night watchman. TM: "Oh, I live here at 123 Main Street" GZ: Goodnight, see ya.

Or the alternative, TM: Whammo, punch you in the nose, knock you to the ground and pound your head to introduce myself.

Bad behavior has consequences.

 

[itguy08]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
My take:

Trayvon was not doing anything wrong, legally or otherwise, when he walked in his own complex.

Very possibly, he was legally standing his ground when a large threatening looking thug followed him. This thug was not law enforcement and was not officially neighborhood watch. He was a multiple time rejected wanna be cop.

Yet he is dead and the person who instigated his death is free.

Only one person did anything wrong that day and it was the person who instigated the confrontation. Zimmerman received advice from law enforcement not to follow Trayvon and chose to ignore that advice. You can see why he was rejected by law enforcement. He does not have the judgement or temperament to carry out actions that promote keeping of the peace and prevention of harm to people and property.

He has admitted being the instigator of the incident and needs to take some sort of responsibility for Trayvons death at his instigation.

Whatever comes his way from the media, civil rights movements, federal justice departments, are a direct result of his decision to ignore the advice he received from law enforcement.


Just curious how following someone needs to be met with a punch to the face, braking the nose. And then repeatedly bashing the follower's head into the concrete?

The minute the first punch was thrown, the person who threw that punch looses all innocence and becomes the instigator.

There are quite a few ways this all could have been avoided. But Martin's violence issues got the better of him and he had to deliver a beating. Sadly he paid the ultimate price for living a life of violence. No different than the "tough guy" mobster getting whacked or the "thug drug dealer" getting whacked in a drive by.

 

[TrevorS]

Which is why the police advised GZ not to follow TM and instigate an incident.

If its well known that a certain demographic react that way, why instigate an incident.

We have people literally up in arms in this country, getting ready to defend their freedoms from the government when TSA agents or police ask questions without due process. Certainly I don't enjoy being asked to state my name after presenting my passport when traveling.

Yet we defend the right of a multiple time rejected wanna be cop, who was obviously rejected because he could not be trusted to show judgement, to follow and harass an innocent person and say he had no responsibility in the death of that person when we also say that person is black and we all know how black people respond in such situations.

 

[Mr_Incredible]

Trayvon was fine until he started hitting on Z-man. Up to that point there were more than enough points to eject from the situation on both sides. Both were culpable.

But, Tray-Tray died by his own hand. He liked to fight, had been in a number of fights and did well, and started this fight. And he got what he got.

It's sad that a young person died. But he did it to himself.

 

[chainblu]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Which is why the police advised GZ not to follow TM and instigate an incident.


Not entirely correct. He was talking to a Non-Emergency 911 Operator. Not the police. The operator has no authority over him. What the operator said was that Zimmerman didn't NEED to follow him.

 

[opus1]

Originally Posted By: chainblu
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Which is why the police advised GZ not to follow TM and instigate an incident.


Not entirely correct. He was talking to a Non-Emergency 911 Operator. Not the police. The operator has no authority over him. What the operator said was that Zimmerman didn't NEED to follow him.
Thank you.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Notice how everyone defending TM doesn't talk about his background? Yet they all claim to know GZ like a book.

This is an example of the distorted coverage and even the trial, where none of TM's background info was allowed per the judge. Even with this gross distortion of fairness GZ was still found not guilty.

Justice HAS been served, even despite the attempts to distort the outcome...

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
My take:

Trayvon was not doing anything wrong, legally or otherwise, when he walked in his own complex.

Very possibly, he was legally standing his ground when a large threatening looking thug followed him. This thug was not law enforcement and was not officially neighborhood watch. He was a multiple time rejected wanna be cop.

Yet he is dead and the person who instigated his death is free.

Only one person did anything wrong that day and it was the person who instigated the confrontation. Zimmerman received advice from law enforcement not to follow Trayvon and chose to ignore that advice. You can see why he was rejected by law enforcement. He does not have the judgement or temperament to carry out actions that promote keeping of the peace and prevention of harm to people and property.

He has admitted being the instigator of the incident and needs to take some sort of responsibility for Trayvons death at his instigation.

Whatever comes his way from the media, civil rights movements, federal justice departments, are a direct result of his decision to ignore the advice he received from law enforcement.


Just curious how following someone needs to be met with a punch to the face, braking the nose. And then repeatedly bashing the follower's head into the concrete?

The minute the first punch was thrown, the person who threw that punch looses all innocence and becomes the instigator.

There are quite a few ways this all could have been avoided. But Martin's violence issues got the better of him and he had to deliver a beating. Sadly he paid the ultimate price for living a life of violence. No different than the "tough guy" mobster getting whacked or the "thug drug dealer" getting whacked in a drive by.


Zimmerman has a criminal history that included violence; domestic violence and assaulting a police officer. FWIW. Like I said before, neither one was/is a choir boy.

 

[itguy08]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Which is why the police advised GZ not to follow TM and instigate an incident.


You do know:
1. 911 operators are not police
2. You do not have to listen to 911 operators
3. 911 operators are trained not to give orders because of legal reasons.

 

[Nick R]

Originally Posted By: Cujet
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
If the "poor lad" had ANY social skills at all he might have talked to GZ instead of using the "hood" approach, and defused the whole thing,


I was taught to introduce myself, always.

Let's see where this could have gone... TM: "Hi, I'm Trayvon, who are you?" , GZ: I'm GZ, the night watchman. TM: "Oh, I live here at 123 Main Street" GZ: Goodnight, see ya.

Or the alternative, TM: Whammo, punch you in the nose, knock you to the ground and pound your head to introduce myself.

Bad behavior has consequences.


Yeah because if it's nighttime, and you are being followed, you are likely to walk up to them to start a chat.