I put Amzoil 0W30 in my 2004 3.0 Ranger about 1,000 miles ago. Im wondering if I should have used 0W20. I have noticed from the begining alot more noise at start up in the morning. I went ahead at 800 miles and switched the Motorcraft filter with a new one hoping that was the culprit. The motor still has noise at start up. I have used Pennzoil YB 5w20 or Redline 5W20 when I collect enough partial bottle's from oil changes in my Mustang and have never had any noise to speak of. Do you think the change from 20 weight to 30 weight made the difference?
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Anything is possible, but what is confusing is that the oil is a 0W at start up vs. a 5W. The 5W-20 is thinner at operating temps but the 0w30 Amsoil "should" flow better at start up even in the summer. I also think it was probably originally spec'd for 5w30. Change it back to the 5W-20 and see what happens.
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These 3.0 engines were spec'd for a 30 weight before Ford changed. Im confused as well. I really want to keep it in for at least 7,000 miles. I have never even heard of Amsoil causing noise in anyone elses motor. I was hoping to start extending drains out to 15,000 miles. I drive 40miles to work each way on the highway. Its hard to dump $10.00 a quart oil too.
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The 0w30 will just about always be thicker. It's physical properties at extreme cold that are superior.
At these starting temps (near enough 40C to be a non-factor) the weight should pretty much be a non-factor.
That is, if you're getting noise now with a 30 grade ...you'll hear noise in winter with a 0w-5w-20. That's when you'll see this relatively same condition.
How many miles on the engine ..and what's the service history?
At these starting temps (near enough 40C to be a non-factor) the weight should pretty much be a non-factor.
That is, if you're getting noise now with a 30 grade ...you'll hear noise in winter with a 0w-5w-20. That's when you'll see this relatively same condition.
How many miles on the engine ..and what's the service history?
I haved owned the vehicle since new. The oil has been changed every 4,000 miles since then with one of the above oils. I have 76,000 on the truck. I dont think the motor has devoloped a problem between the oil draining out and new oil being put in. I think she like's 5W20 for what ever reason. I have used Amsoil in the past and friends that use it with very positive results, so I am not bashing Amsoil just wondering if the change caused this and I need let the new oil break in or should I go back to 5W20.
I say leave the 0w30 in for the full OCI you had planned, then go back to 0W-20. Yeah, the 0W-20 may flow a little better when cold but you're in GA, I wouldn't be concerned about having gone to 0W-30. It'll be fine, no need to dump expensive oil unnecessarily.
Originally Posted By: greymach
These 3.0 engines were spec'd for a 30 weight before Ford changed. Im confused as well. I really want to keep it in for at least 7,000 miles. I have never even heard of Amsoil causing noise in anyone elses motor. I was hoping to start extending drains out to 15,000 miles. I drive 40miles to work each way on the highway. Its hard to dump $10.00 a quart oil too.
I have the 3.0 Vulcan in a 93 Aerostar with 162,000 miles. I mentioned in another thread that while looking on the Amsoil as well as the Mobil website they are now recommending 5W-20 for that engine too. I've used nothing but 5w30 since I bought it with 52,000 miles on it, that was what it called for. Even after plugging in the miles on the Mobil site it came up with 5W-20, I am just as confused as you.
Honestly if the start up noise isn't too bad/or to long run the Amsoil till you're due for an OC, or wait until just before the winter and drop it. $10/qt is a lot of money to be wasting.
Frank D
These 3.0 engines were spec'd for a 30 weight before Ford changed. Im confused as well. I really want to keep it in for at least 7,000 miles. I have never even heard of Amsoil causing noise in anyone elses motor. I was hoping to start extending drains out to 15,000 miles. I drive 40miles to work each way on the highway. Its hard to dump $10.00 a quart oil too.
I have the 3.0 Vulcan in a 93 Aerostar with 162,000 miles. I mentioned in another thread that while looking on the Amsoil as well as the Mobil website they are now recommending 5W-20 for that engine too. I've used nothing but 5w30 since I bought it with 52,000 miles on it, that was what it called for. Even after plugging in the miles on the Mobil site it came up with 5W-20, I am just as confused as you.
Honestly if the start up noise isn't too bad/or to long run the Amsoil till you're due for an OC, or wait until just before the winter and drop it. $10/qt is a lot of money to be wasting.
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Originally Posted By: greymach
I haved owned the vehicle since new. The oil has been changed every 4,000 miles since then with one of the above oils. I have 76,000 on the truck. I dont think the motor has devoloped a problem between the oil draining out and new oil being put in. I think she like's 5W20 for what ever reason. I have used Amsoil in the past and friends that use it with very positive results, so I am not bashing Amsoil just wondering if the change caused this and I need let the new oil break in or should I go back to 5W20.
Oh ..no ..I'm not giving you a "nervous reaction" just because you're having trouble while using an Amsoil product ..no
I'm just pointing out the oddity that I'm confronted with from my view. That is, without "something" being unright, you should (in your current temps ...and even substantially colder) encounter no issues with start up with a very broad range of grades ..from 20- ..heck through (even) 50. Those are the same varied starting conditions that are seen from Canada to Texas with lighter or heavier grades at other temps.
If your MC filters are of the same lot (you can check with the numbers printed on them) you may just have two lame ADBV'S.
Wait a minute ..(pause) is this an immediate startup rattle ..one that stops about 1-3 seconds from ignition? That's usually a filter problem. Beyond that it requires a little distinction with the ear. If it's "one lifter" ticking until the pressure comes up ..then it's a lifter issue. If it's all of them ticking until the pressure comes up (or a bit longer) then it's usually something like a restriction that delays the flow to them while the oil is happy to just pump out easier to its alternative paths.
But I do agree that you should just ride it out.
I haved owned the vehicle since new. The oil has been changed every 4,000 miles since then with one of the above oils. I have 76,000 on the truck. I dont think the motor has devoloped a problem between the oil draining out and new oil being put in. I think she like's 5W20 for what ever reason. I have used Amsoil in the past and friends that use it with very positive results, so I am not bashing Amsoil just wondering if the change caused this and I need let the new oil break in or should I go back to 5W20.
Oh ..no ..I'm not giving you a "nervous reaction" just because you're having trouble while using an Amsoil product ..no
I'm just pointing out the oddity that I'm confronted with from my view. That is, without "something" being unright, you should (in your current temps ...and even substantially colder) encounter no issues with start up with a very broad range of grades ..from 20- ..heck through (even) 50. Those are the same varied starting conditions that are seen from Canada to Texas with lighter or heavier grades at other temps.
If your MC filters are of the same lot (you can check with the numbers printed on them) you may just have two lame ADBV'S.
Wait a minute ..(pause) is this an immediate startup rattle ..one that stops about 1-3 seconds from ignition? That's usually a filter problem. Beyond that it requires a little distinction with the ear. If it's "one lifter" ticking until the pressure comes up ..then it's a lifter issue. If it's all of them ticking until the pressure comes up (or a bit longer) then it's usually something like a restriction that delays the flow to them while the oil is happy to just pump out easier to its alternative paths.
But I do agree that you should just ride it out.
I use Amsoil 0w20 in my Mazda6s Duratec 3.0, and have read on Mazda forums about people putting in SSO 0w30, or the GC 30 wt., and the engine feeling very sluggish after using these weights. I find this engine seems to run much smoother with the thinner oils, and have no problem using them in the FL heat.
What I hear is just a louder 3.0. I was thinking a bad fiter thats why I replaced it. I dont have the old filter to look at so I have no way of knowing if the lot numbers match. I hate to say it but it sounds more like what Ericzoom posted, even though mines a Vulcan 3.0. Im going to leave it in for for at least 4,000 miles to see if anything change's. Like I said I think this motor likes 5W20.
i had start-up noise also with the SSO, but never with the TSO, which is wierd to me. The extra noise only lasted for 800-1000 miles then it went away, or I just got use to it. Not really info, just a view from someone else
greymach - The 0 is not the weight. That is a winter specification. It's a 30-grade motor oil. It shouldn't be too thin for your application and in some instances it's going to be a little thicker at warmup.
My sister has a much older 3.0 Vulcan in a 95 Aerostar and hers is currently on some Schaeffers 15w40, which has really dropped oil consumption on this 266k mile engine. Back to the point, though, that thing is really quiet at all times, even start-up, and we use the FL400S oil filter too.
Originally Posted By: greymach
I put Amzoil 0W30 in my 2004 3.0 Ranger about 1,000 miles ago. Im wondering if I should have used 0W20. I have noticed from the begining alot more noise at start up in the morning. I went ahead at 800 miles and switched the Motorcraft filter with a new one hoping that was the culprit. The motor still has noise at start up. I have used Pennzoil YB 5w20 or Redline 5W20 when I collect enough partial bottle's from oil changes in my Mustang and have never had any noise to speak of. Do you think the change from 20 weight to 30 weight made the difference?
Try the EAO filter, I'm pretty sure this will help with the start up noise.
I put Amzoil 0W30 in my 2004 3.0 Ranger about 1,000 miles ago. Im wondering if I should have used 0W20. I have noticed from the begining alot more noise at start up in the morning. I went ahead at 800 miles and switched the Motorcraft filter with a new one hoping that was the culprit. The motor still has noise at start up. I have used Pennzoil YB 5w20 or Redline 5W20 when I collect enough partial bottle's from oil changes in my Mustang and have never had any noise to speak of. Do you think the change from 20 weight to 30 weight made the difference?
Try the EAO filter, I'm pretty sure this will help with the start up noise.
I notice increased engine noise for the first ~3 minutes after a cold start since I switched our 2003 Lincoln Navigator to 0w20 Amsoil. The engine had seen 5w20 Motorcraft exclusively before I switched at 46k, and never made any noise when cold. The noise is only audible once the engine settles down to an ~800 rpm idle, and is a faint low-tone knocking sound. In my opinion the noise is piston slap, and it completely goes away after a few minutes. I blame the noise on the reduced viscosity of the 0w20 when cold, and don't worry about it. When warm, the engine is silent.
Well I have read all these posts and thanks for the advice. Yesterday I guess I got nervous and drained the oil. Put 5W20 Pennzoil back in. Kept the same filter that has been on there and the noise is gone. I reused the Amsoil in my push mower and cub riding mower and they run perfect. Again I just think the 3.0 didn't like it.
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