Amsoil probably using Group III as well?

[The Critic]

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Yeah...yeah...yeah...sounds just like JAG's spiel. Until you remind him of his own test results. If majority Group III products can be made almost as good as a Top-Shelf majority PAO product, where are they?

And if majority Group III product is just as good as a majority PAO why doesn't Amsoil convert all their oils over instead of just the XL line. What about EOM D1 and MC oils?

Same crapola...different day.

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My point is that Group III products are good enough for 99% of syn oil users who follow OEM drain intervals.

Amsoil's super-duper long drain oils are targeted toward a difference audience than their XL line-up. Their super oils use better additive packages and base oils to justify their long(er) drain interval and higher price.

But if you just change your oil at the recommended intervals, I highly doubt you'll notice the performance difference between the two, but I do recognize that it exists to some degree.

 

[427Z06]

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Yeah...yeah...yeah...sounds just like JAG's spiel. Until you remind him of his own test results. If majority Group III products can be made almost as good as a Top-Shelf majority PAO product, where are they?

And if majority Group III product is just as good as a majority PAO why doesn't Amsoil convert all their oils over instead of just the XL line. What about EOM D1 and MC oils?

Same crapola...different day.

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My point is that Group III products are good enough for 99% of syn oil users who follow OEM drain intervals.

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Another GroundHog Day, just like the 5w20 conspiracy theorists, people are going to continually repost the same "Group III products are good enough for 99% of syn oil users" mantra. You want/need the 99% solution? Buy the $3.97 PP stuff and avoid wasting money on the $6.46 Mobil 1 Extended Performance stuff.

 

[The Critic]

I buy the $0.59/qt Chevron 5w30 stuff.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Then you are smart enought o know what's a good value.

 

[Drew99GT]

$6.46 for Mobil 1 Extended Performance? That's highway robbery............I've seen it for $7.99 at Autozone

Might as well just go with Amsoil for that price, I would if I wasn't a cheap skate.

 

[JAG]

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Yeah...yeah...yeah...sounds just like JAG's spiel. Until you remind him of his own test results. If majority Group III products can be made almost as good as a Top-Shelf majority PAO product, where are they?

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I told ya....ya didn't listen: Lubromoly 5w30. All I know of this oil is that it uses some amount of Group 3 and meets MB 229.5 which is a really tough test. The M111E sludge test in MB 229.5 spec is extended over what the MB 229.3 spec's M111E test length is. The limits on the other tests are more stringent as well. I think an oil with Group 3 CAN be made really good but I also think that not all oils with Group 3 are really good. I still prefer no Group 3 in my oils but I know that a great cake can have some crisco in it if the chef puts other really good ingredients in it to make up for it.

 

[johnbottilaw]

I don't care about the Amway aspect of Amsoil. My dislike stems froma recent problem I had. About 6 months ago I ordered $100 of oil and filters directly from the website. It showed up in anout a week and my credit card was charged for them. About a month later I started getting letters and calls from Amsoil saying I had not paid and that they sent the oil by mistake. In essence they were trying to bully me into double collecting. It got so bad I had to change my phone number, it was like soemthing out of the twilight zone. They hounded me and pestered me beyond belief. They did not even acknowledge my credit card statement as proof of payment and have sent turned it over to collections. I don't care how good the oil might be, they lost me as a customer for life. The way I was treated was degrading and shameful.

 

[Ownsaglock]

Amsoil customer service has been outstanding in my limited experience.

I havent had a chance to run the oil due to free dealer oil changes showing up in the mail but I have a eao filter and 5w30 ready to go.

 

[Pablo]

Who was your dealer?

I NEVER heard of such an experience. "Bullying" is a strong word - there are no people like this at Amsoil that I know of. IF I was your dealer send me your order #, I will take care of it, done deal. Frankly I wonder....

 

[B00SS]

I would like respectfully disagree with The Critic's original post. I don't believe most are focusing on the base oils, at least when it comes to a certain company that has recently changed their formulation. Most of the comments I have seen, certainly my own, have focused on the high price being charged for a group III oil.

 

[Mokanic]

If you were an oil company what would you do to eliminate the interest people have in determining the base oil of a certain product?
The first thing I would do is come together with as many of my competitors and agree that it is in the best interest of all of us to deny the customer a choice in base oils.Then I would blurr the distinction between mineral and synthetics.
Respectfully, I think this whole argument over base oils and dino vs. synthetic will soon come to an end by the major oil companies actions to sell motor oil. SYN. vs. DINO as well as base oils will give way to ALL oil companies desire for maximum profits.

 

[LargeCarManX2]

Just a thought.....Mobil 1 went from a 25K oil to a 16K oil, about the same time they went to a group III mix and IV,V or what ever....

Amsoil is still a 25 and 35 K oil (there own words) and I just have not seen these long OCI like the old day's?

But, Redline say's 12K max? so...is it true?

 

[OriginHacker21]

Pretty crazy stuff. From someone who doesn't know much of the technical stuff - I can say that Mobil 1 selling for $7+ and Castrol Syntec selling for $6.... Amsoil is now the cheapest full synthetic I know of (at least in my neck of the woods) (I say full synthetic to differentiate between semi/blend).

Mobil 1 may stand behind the 15k OCI - but wherever I go I see the tech people telling people to stick to 3k or they will destroy their engines.

I for one have had a good experience with Amsoil - very very friendly customer service (telephone) and Pablo was very helpful in answering my many questions. They've won my business and they are cheaper than the common brand name synthetics. Looks like I got the best of both worlds because Amsoil is cheaper & is Group IV/V while the more expensive synthetic have gone to group III.

Honestly - in my experience - if you are going 7,500 mile OCI - I think there will be little difference between Castrol Syntec and a "Full Synthetic" - at least in my used oil analysis testing. (in my application - 99% highway miles - long trips).

 

[Laminar Lou]

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Who was your dealer?

I NEVER heard of such an experience. "Bullying" is a strong word - there are no people like this at Amsoil that I know of. IF I was your dealer send me your order #, I will take care of it, done deal. Frankly I wonder....

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First off, I use a lot of Amsoil products. But I too had the same issue with Amsoil about 2-3 years ago. Water under the bridge at this point, but they tried to bill me twice by stating that my charge didn't go through and it didn't matter that I had the transaction number of the charge, their system kept kicking it back. It took quite a while before it was fixed.

I didn't use a dealer, it was a website order. I chalked it up to their system not handling virtual card numbers back then and moved on. Amsoil has probably seen $600 of my business since and they have always been spot on.

So I am just saying those things can happen. But they don't happen that often.

When I first started using Amsoil, I always had a problem with the MLM issue and the vitamins that they started selling. But the longer I use the product and the longer I see good used oil analysis I don't really care anymore. The product works well, it is priced well, it is convenient for me to buy, they have a full product line, and they always have what I need in stock. Those last 3 are honestly the most important to me. I hate driving all over town trying to get the right product for my vehicles. Any money I pay in shipping outweighs the time and gasoline I burn trying locate what I need.

That said, I like the XL line and will probably stick with it in the odyssey for now.

 

[buster]

Amsoil does perform and I've had great customer service with them.

 

[jorhyne]

Here's a question I can't figure out. Why doesn't Amsoil get rid of the dealer network and just sell their stuff in stores? I think they would have a lot of success in retail sales.

 

[Da Game]

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Here's a question I can't figure out. Why doesn't Amsoil get rid of the dealer network and just sell their stuff in stores? I think they would have a lot of success in retail sales.

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I for one hope not. The autoparts store in my area sells the same ASL line for $1.25 more than the on-line price, and tax in my city is 9%. I'm still consideren becoming a AMS dealer yet in my area it's still a niche market, alot of people still believe the mechanics advice and spend $1.50 or less for any oil to change at 3-5K. No I haven't become an AMS zealot...

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

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I don't care about the Amway aspect of Amsoil. My dislike stems froma recent problem I had. About 6 months ago I ordered $100 of oil and filters directly from the website. It showed up in anout a week and my credit card was charged for them. About a month later I started getting letters and calls from Amsoil saying I had not paid and that they sent the oil by mistake. In essence they were trying to bully me into double collecting. It got so bad I had to change my phone number, it was like soemthing out of the twilight zone. They hounded me and pestered me beyond belief. They did not even acknowledge my credit card statement as proof of payment and have sent turned it over to collections. I don't care how good the oil might be, they lost me as a customer for life. The way I was treated was degrading and shameful.

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Ya oughtta give Pablo a shot at it if it went that way, John. Pablo's been round here quite awhile, been of real assistance through PMs to me (and undoubtedly others as well) when there was no money in it for him. There's never been a shred of an accusation of any of this sort of thing since I've been around. The Amsoil sponsors are a fair part of the board here, too. Amsoil didn't get to be Amsoil (ok, ok, so their fan base is limited, mostly by themselves) by scrooing folks and then piling hassle upon hassle over a lousy hundred bucks.

I'm not an Amsoil dealer, I'm not in the tank for Amsoil on any level, and I haven't bought much of their product aside from oil filters, but fair is fair. Amsoil, through Pablo, should get a fair hearing, IMHO.

LOVE to hear how this comes out..

 

[Dick in Falls Church]

>>>Why doesn't Amsoil get rid of the dealer network and just sell their stuff in stores? I think they would have a lot of success in retail sales.

When AMSOIL started, the dealer network was what enabled it to stay in business. Without a dealer network and folks who were able to explain the advantages of synthetic oil compared to the cost per mile/hour of operation, the company would have folded. Heck, it took Mobil almost a generation and tons of dollars to build a market before the synthetics paid their way.

Al Amatuzio has recognized this, and will not do anything which will jeopardize the dealer network. If you don't think this is valid, ask the Mobil station owner who can buy Mobil 1 cheaper at Costco than through his Mobil supplier.

In the smaller chains and independent shops, AMSOIL is selling very well retail.

 

[Steve S]

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Wonder why Redline or RP doesn't get the hate that Amsoil does?? There does seems like a "Hater Nation" when any question comes to Ams...

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Amsoil users hate Redline