Amsoil comment on "Mobil 1 - Now with Grp III!"

Pablo · Nov 3, 2006

I asked:

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I'm not sure if you are aware, but the news is hitting the street that Mobil 1 Extended Performance is now mostly a Group III based motor with the latest formula change. This runs contrary to Mobil's comments over the years. Unfortunately - an Amsoil dealer of some ranking said that some of the PAO oils (outside of the XL line) now contain Group III basestock. Can you please get the information on this? Is Amsoil going to group III usage on more than the XL line? Thanks, Paul

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In response to your inquiry, we do not know if MOBIL is using mostly a group III base stock. What we do know however is that it takes highly sophisticated equipment and very experienced people to actually determine the contents of a lubricant. There are few places in North America with this capability. This raises suspicion as to the accuracy of the statement made about MOBIL. Regardless of what others may or may not be doing, AMSOIL formulates with PAO basestocks and has no intentions of changing our premium formulations (ASL, ATM, TSO, etc). As for the comment made by the AMSOIL dealer, they would really have no way of knowing about the formulations, as they are confidential and proprietary.

I wouldn't try to read between the lines.....

Johnny · Nov 3, 2006

Yes, there are few places in North America with this capability. Just to name a few of them, Shell, Chevron, Conoco/Phillips, BP, XM, Valvoline, and evidently HATCO. You can bet your bottom dollar that every major knows exactly the formulation of their competitor.

buster · Nov 3, 2006

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This raises suspicion as to the accuracy of the statement made about MOBIL

Thanks for asking the question. What Mobil says though is true, that Mobil 1 contains syntethic base oils inculding PAO's. Those that have said 100% PAO, obviously are now wrong.

Mobil's MC oils state "100% Synthetic" and based on data sheets they are absolutely 100% PAO/Ester blends.

It's good to know that Amsoil at least will tell you what their oils are, however they too claim Group III is synthetic.

It all comes down to the final product in which Mobil 1 is still a top notch oil. Lets not forget it also contains a good amount of Group V AN's.

buster · Nov 3, 2006

I can see all the Amsoil clowns now jumping all over this one. Can't wait to do a search and get flooded with lovely Amsoil dealer websites claiming Mobil 1 is no longer a true synthetic.

If it makes anyone feel better, Shell's racing oils along with Synergyn racings oils both contain Group III basestocks. Both of those are top notch products.

Quickbeam · Nov 3, 2006

Thanks for asking Pablo. Sorry but I can't help reading between these lines: "Regardless of what others may or may not be doing, AMSOIL *formulates* (my emphasis) with PAO basestocks"

Oil Changer · Nov 4, 2006

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Thanks for asking Pablo. Sorry but I can't help reading between these lines: "Regardless of what others may or may not be doing, AMSOIL *formulates* (my emphasis) with PAO basestocks"

When all of thid first started, I commented that I might switch to Amsoil but it seems they are using the same play on words. If Amsoil oil is exclusively PAO based I wanna see it in writing. As far as I am concerned, as of today GC is the only true synthetic OTC oil available. How ironic. If I continue to use synthetic oils, it will be GC. Unfortunately, I only have one vehicle that specs 30 weight. Conventional oil looks better every day as at least I know what I am getting.

G-MAN · Nov 4, 2006

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Thanks for asking Pablo. Sorry but I can't help reading between these lines: "Regardless of what others may or may not be doing, AMSOIL *formulates* (my emphasis) with PAO basestocks"

I know. This must have been written by a lawyer. hehe

How hard would it have been to make an unequivocal statement like "Amsoil continues to formulate its oils using only PAO basestocks"?

Pablo · Nov 4, 2006

You guys see things were nothing exists. And you failed my test miserably. Even G-man. Think about what you typed.

Let me give you a clue or two. Amsoil does NOT use Group III basestock oils in their premier oils. AND they are NOT using a play on words.

Oil Changer · Nov 4, 2006

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You guys see things were nothing exists. And you failed my test miserably. Even G-man. Think about what you typed.

Let me give you a clue or two. Amsoil does NOT use Group III basestock oils in their premier oils. AND they are NOT using a play on words.

Well in the same hand, you failed my test miserably. As you well know, we don't want or like "clues". This is a fact-based crowd. Show me a link (ie. prove to me) that Amsoil uses only PAO basestocks in their premier oils and I just might by some from you. I searched Amsoil's site and found nothing that stated unequivocally that their oils are 100% PAO based. Lets not play games.

G-MAN · Nov 4, 2006

Pablo, what Amsoil sent you is clearly NOT an unequivocal statment that they use nothing but PAO. The language they use was carefully chosen (hence my comment about it being written by a lawyer) to allow for "wiggle room."

Note: I am NOT saying this means Amsoil does use something other than (or in addition to) PAO. I am saying this language would ALLOW FOR IT.

Pablo · Nov 4, 2006

NO PCMO/HDEO oil formulator can say they use 100% PAO. I'm not playing games nor is Amsoil. OK I take that back - I was testing your paranoia level.

All the additives for and by their nature must be oil soluble. These additives could be dissolved in a concentrated or not so concentrated state in a variety of oils. Now keep this in mind and re-read the statement.

"AMSOIL formulates with PAO basestocks and has no intentions of changing our premium formulations......"

They DON'T formulate (ASL, ATM, etc) using other basestocks. But they can't say the oil is ALL PAO.

simple_gifts · Nov 4, 2006

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Well in the same hand, you failed my test miserably. As you well know, we don't want or like "clues". This is a fact-based crowd. Show me a link (ie. prove to me) that Amsoil uses only PAO basestocks in their premier oils and I just might by some from you. I searced Amsoil's site and found nothing that stated unequivocally that their oils are 100% PAO based. Lets not play games.

LOL, if i were an Amsoil salesman I wouldn't bother with pursuing your business.

This is a little harsh, guy, considering Pablo's contributions, support and unbiased opinions on this board

Quickbeam · Nov 4, 2006

Oil Changer · Nov 4, 2006

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...But they can't say the oil is ALL PAO.

True, but they CAN say that their basestocks are 100% PAO if that is what they do. As for the rest, I think everyone already knew that.

Quickbeam · Nov 4, 2006

Hey, it wasn't my intent to bash Pablo but I agree with what G-MAN is saying. Pablo could just be an unwitting pasty. Even he said most people who sell oils don't know what's in them. Pablo, when you wrote the company did you do so as a consumer or is that response to one of their own?

Shannow · Nov 4, 2006

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Pablo could just be an unwitting pasty.

G-MAN · Nov 4, 2006

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"AMSOIL formulates with PAO basestocks and has no intentions of changing our premium formulations......"

They DON'T formulate (ASL, ATM, etc) using other basestocks. But they can't say the oil is ALL PAO.

But they could say (if it is true) "Amsoil formulates with only PAO basestocks..."

That one little word "only" carries a lot of weight. Sorta like one little Greek letter (iota) meant the difference between orthodoxy and heresy at the Council of Constantinople in 381.

Oil Changer · Nov 4, 2006

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Well in the same hand, you failed my test miserably. As you well know, we don't want or like "clues". This is a fact-based crowd. Show me a link (ie. prove to me) that Amsoil uses only PAO basestocks in their premier oils and I just might by some from you. I searced Amsoil's site and found nothing that stated unequivocally that their oils are 100% PAO based. Lets not play games.

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LOL, if i were an Amsoil salesman I wouldn't bother with pursuing your business.

This is a little harsh, guy, considering Pablo's contributions, support and unbiased opinions on this board

Case in point. If I was an Amsoil salesman I would have capitalized on this Mobil 1 situation and said, "Hey guys, Oil Changer here letting you know that Amsoil's basestocks are 100% PAO. Contact me when you want some REAL oil." Instead we get "clues" and "tests". I don't intend to come across as harsh and I do respect Pablo and his contributions. He would be the first person I would contact if I were to buy Amsoil. If he won't, there are many more who will.
Also, considering he contacted Amsoil as a result of the "M1 situation", I think it would be wise to post only the facts. If Amsoil's oils (sorry - BASESTOCKS) are 100% PAO, lets hear it. ________ knows I've heard it before (ie. EOM)!

Pablo · Nov 4, 2006

I always divulge who I am when I contact Amsoil HQ. I think they know who I am. Just a "pasty".

I guess what I'm saying (rather clumsily I guess) - you guys are reading too much into this. For example, you'll have a field day with this:

http://www.amsoil.com/faqs/faq8.aspx

This statement has been on the web site for a couple years.

Amsoil is simply not that slick with the lingo.

buster · Nov 4, 2006

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"AMSOIL formulates with PAO basestocks and has no intentions of changing our premium formulations......"

Mobil formulates with PAO basestocks also.

(And group III and V). See the difference?

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