Amsoil Signature Series at similar price of Mobil 1 is an easy choice.
Amsoil 10w-30 vs Mobil 1 5w30
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Do you have a WalMart? Are all the off shelf options pro ed similar to the m1. If so, I'd definitely go with the amsoil. Its at the least an equal base oil recipe and clearly has a superior add pack.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Do you have a WalMart? Are all the off shelf options pro ed similar to the m1. If so, I'd definitely go with the amsoil. Its at the least an equal base oil recipe and clearly has a superior add pack.
Interesting. What is it in the add pack that makes it clearly superior?
Do you have a WalMart? Are all the off shelf options pro ed similar to the m1. If so, I'd definitely go with the amsoil. Its at the least an equal base oil recipe and clearly has a superior add pack.
Interesting. What is it in the add pack that makes it clearly superior?
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Do you have a WalMart? Are all the off shelf options pro ed similar to the Mobil 1. If so, I'd definitely go with the amsoil. Its at the least an equal base oil recipe and clearly has a superior add pack.
Interesting. What is it in the add pack that makes it clearly superior?
Well I'm not a blender pr chemical enginer etc. My side of the business is marine logistics.
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Do you have a WalMart? Are all the off shelf options pro ed similar to the Mobil 1. If so, I'd definitely go with the amsoil. Its at the least an equal base oil recipe and clearly has a superior add pack.
Interesting. What is it in the add pack that makes it clearly superior?
Well I'm not a blender pr chemical enginer etc. My side of the business is marine logistics.
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Well I'm not a blender pr chemical enginer etc. My side of the business is marine logistics.
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
Oh, OK I thought maybe you did know since you stated it was "clearly" superior. So you just made that up?
And I wouldn't know about Mobil 1 really. I do have a minor in chemistry, but that is wholly insufficient to discriminate between PCMO add packs, especially since I have no way of analyzing them - nor would I be qualified to comment even if I did.
The only thing I can tell you is that after many miles of using Mobil 1 products I have no complaints, even after 300+K miles in my 1MZ-FE.
Well I'm not a blender pr chemical enginer etc. My side of the business is marine logistics.
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
Oh, OK I thought maybe you did know since you stated it was "clearly" superior. So you just made that up?
And I wouldn't know about Mobil 1 really. I do have a minor in chemistry, but that is wholly insufficient to discriminate between PCMO add packs, especially since I have no way of analyzing them - nor would I be qualified to comment even if I did.
The only thing I can tell you is that after many miles of using Mobil 1 products I have no complaints, even after 300+K miles in my 1MZ-FE.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
You are the one that made the statement, ergo the onus is on you to provide proof, not for anyone else to prove you are incorrect.
It is unlikely that many of us have a way to analyze either oil, much less to understand that analysis. used oil analysis can't possibly tell us the whole story.
robert
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
You are the one that made the statement, ergo the onus is on you to provide proof, not for anyone else to prove you are incorrect.
It is unlikely that many of us have a way to analyze either oil, much less to understand that analysis. used oil analysis can't possibly tell us the whole story.
robert
Originally Posted By: robertcope
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
You are the one that made the statement, ergo the onus is on you to provide proof, not for anyone else to prove you are incorrect.
It is unlikely that many of us have a way to analyze either oil, much less to understand that analysis. used oil analysis can't possibly tell us the whole story.
robert
Let me reword my statement and ad imo. I'm judging by the voas.
In my OPINION I think anyone that believes or would like to believe that Mobil 1 is equal to amsoil is dreaming in techno color.
I know, I know, somones gonna say that you cannot judge anything by a voa yet people here do it all the time with valvoline yet have no data to support valvoline is in anyway inferior to the rest. Actually quite the opposite imo.
My experiences with amasoil are superb. I cant say the same for Mobil 1 but I only ever tried it and uoaed it for several ocis I 1 application with high fuel dilution and never tried their ep.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
You are the one that made the statement, ergo the onus is on you to provide proof, not for anyone else to prove you are incorrect.
It is unlikely that many of us have a way to analyze either oil, much less to understand that analysis. used oil analysis can't possibly tell us the whole story.
robert
Let me reword my statement and ad imo. I'm judging by the voas.
In my OPINION I think anyone that believes or would like to believe that Mobil 1 is equal to amsoil is dreaming in techno color.
I know, I know, somones gonna say that you cannot judge anything by a voa yet people here do it all the time with valvoline yet have no data to support valvoline is in anyway inferior to the rest. Actually quite the opposite imo.
My experiences with amasoil are superb. I cant say the same for Mobil 1 but I only ever tried it and uoaed it for several ocis I 1 application with high fuel dilution and never tried their ep.
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Amsoil Signature Series at similar price of Mobil 1 is an easy choice.
And you support this assertion how? Are you meaning that Amsoil is clearly superior? Evidence please.
The availability of Mobil 1 is clearly superior and it does an outstanding job. Where is a store can I walk into and buy 5 quarts of AMSOIL Signature Series for $24? $28? I can get my Mobil 1 5w30 and 0W-40 for $24/5 qts at Walmart or at a place where the employees and suppliers are treated better for $28.
For wear the 2 oils below are nearly identical. For cost and availability the Mobil 1 wins hands down. You would have to run the Amsoil twice as long to get the cost/mile to be similar.
11. 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi
zinc = 801 ppm
phosphorus = 842 ppm
moly = 112 ppm
calcium = 799 ppm
TBN = 7.5
13. 0W30 Amsoil Signature Series 25,000 miles, API SN synthetic = 105,008 psi
zinc = 824 ppm
phosphorus = 960 ppm
moly = 161 ppm
calcium = 3,354 ppm
TBN = 11.4
Amsoil Signature Series at similar price of Mobil 1 is an easy choice.
And you support this assertion how? Are you meaning that Amsoil is clearly superior? Evidence please.
The availability of Mobil 1 is clearly superior and it does an outstanding job. Where is a store can I walk into and buy 5 quarts of AMSOIL Signature Series for $24? $28? I can get my Mobil 1 5w30 and 0W-40 for $24/5 qts at Walmart or at a place where the employees and suppliers are treated better for $28.
For wear the 2 oils below are nearly identical. For cost and availability the Mobil 1 wins hands down. You would have to run the Amsoil twice as long to get the cost/mile to be similar.
11. 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi
zinc = 801 ppm
phosphorus = 842 ppm
moly = 112 ppm
calcium = 799 ppm
TBN = 7.5
13. 0W30 Amsoil Signature Series 25,000 miles, API SN synthetic = 105,008 psi
zinc = 824 ppm
phosphorus = 960 ppm
moly = 161 ppm
calcium = 3,354 ppm
TBN = 11.4
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Originally Posted By: Joshua_Skinner
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Amsoil Signature Series at similar price of Mobil 1 is an easy choice.
And you support this assertion how? Are you meaning that Amsoil is clearly superior? Evidence please.
The availability of Mobil 1 is clearly superior and it does an outstanding job. Where is a store can I walk into and buy 5 quarts of AMSOIL Signature Series for $24? $28? I can get my Mobil 1 5w30 and 0W-40 for $24/5 qts at Walmart or at a place where the employees and suppliers are treated better for $28.
Sounds like m1 is your oil. Glad your happy.
The op stated that he can get amsoil for cheaper than m1. He might not even have to leave his house. Or drive across town and fight the lovley WalMart people, you can see on the funny WalMart shoppers photos, to get it. It can be delivered to his door.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Amsoil Signature Series at similar price of Mobil 1 is an easy choice.
And you support this assertion how? Are you meaning that Amsoil is clearly superior? Evidence please.
The availability of Mobil 1 is clearly superior and it does an outstanding job. Where is a store can I walk into and buy 5 quarts of AMSOIL Signature Series for $24? $28? I can get my Mobil 1 5w30 and 0W-40 for $24/5 qts at Walmart or at a place where the employees and suppliers are treated better for $28.
Sounds like m1 is your oil. Glad your happy.
The op stated that he can get amsoil for cheaper than m1. He might not even have to leave his house. Or drive across town and fight the lovley WalMart people, you can see on the funny WalMart shoppers photos, to get it. It can be delivered to his door.
I'd go with the Amsoil.
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
The op stated that he can get amsoil for cheaper than m1.
Up here, we do have Amsoil at a couple retail outlets, and its regular price is very competitive with the regular price of M1. Of course, when one counts specials and stuff, Amsoil will get beaten up here. But, for people not chasing sales and those avoiding big box retailers, it's a very feasible option.
The op stated that he can get amsoil for cheaper than m1.
Up here, we do have Amsoil at a couple retail outlets, and its regular price is very competitive with the regular price of M1. Of course, when one counts specials and stuff, Amsoil will get beaten up here. But, for people not chasing sales and those avoiding big box retailers, it's a very feasible option.
Thanks for the great feedback guys. Next change I'll be saving money and going with Amsoil.
To those of you that clearly did not read my original post. 96% of the population of the globe resides outside the USA. Yes, the home of the "World Series" is less than 4% of the global population. There is a whole world out here and we don't have Walmart.
To those of you that clearly did not read my original post. 96% of the population of the globe resides outside the USA. Yes, the home of the "World Series" is less than 4% of the global population. There is a whole world out here and we don't have Walmart.
Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Thanks for the great feedback guys. Next change I'll be saving money and going with Amsoil.
To those of you that clearly did not read my original post. 96% of the population of the globe resides outside the USA. Yes, the home of the "World Series" is less than 4% of the global population. There is a whole world out here and we don't have Walmart.
You mean there are others??
Thanks for the great feedback guys. Next change I'll be saving money and going with Amsoil.
To those of you that clearly did not read my original post. 96% of the population of the globe resides outside the USA. Yes, the home of the "World Series" is less than 4% of the global population. There is a whole world out here and we don't have Walmart.
You mean there are others??
Originally Posted By: Joshua_Skinner
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Amsoil Signature Series at similar price of Mobil 1 is an easy choice.
And you support this assertion how? Are you meaning that Amsoil is clearly superior? Evidence please.
The availability of Mobil 1 is clearly superior and it does an outstanding job. Where is a store can I walk into and buy 5 quarts of AMSOIL Signature Series for $24? $28? I can get my Mobil 1 5w30 and 0W-40 for $24/5 qts at Walmart or at a place where the employees and suppliers are treated better for $28.
For wear the 2 oils below are nearly identical. For cost and availability the Mobil 1 wins hands down. You would have to run the Amsoil twice as long to get the cost/mile to be similar.
11. 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi
zinc = 801 ppm
phosphorus = 842 ppm
moly = 112 ppm
calcium = 799 ppm
TBN = 7.5
13. 0W30 Amsoil Signature Series 25,000 miles, API SN synthetic = 105,008 psi
zinc = 824 ppm
phosphorus = 960 ppm
moly = 161 ppm
calcium = 3,354 ppm
TBN = 11.4
The question posted Australian poster, he said that he can buy AMSOIL Signature Series for similar price with Mobil 1 on sale in Australia.
Many UOA showed that AMSOIL Signature Series at more than 10k miles had excellent retaining TBN and low wear metals. Also, Amsoil warranty change interval up to 25k miles or 1 year(was unlimited time).
These tells me Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, at least no worse than Mobil 1 Extended Performance, especially for someone who drive 20-25k miles a year, with good oil filter he/she can do yearly oil change with AMSOIL Signature Series, instead of twice a year with Mobil 1.
This is not applicable in US because Mobil 1 can easily obtain at Walmart for less than $25-26 5-qt jug, a couple dollars more can get EP. AMSOIL Signature Series is not less than $8-9/qt after tax and shipping.
No, I never used Amsoil of any type but I would if I can get AMSOIL Signature Series for similar price of Mobil 1.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Amsoil Signature Series at similar price of Mobil 1 is an easy choice.
And you support this assertion how? Are you meaning that Amsoil is clearly superior? Evidence please.
The availability of Mobil 1 is clearly superior and it does an outstanding job. Where is a store can I walk into and buy 5 quarts of AMSOIL Signature Series for $24? $28? I can get my Mobil 1 5w30 and 0W-40 for $24/5 qts at Walmart or at a place where the employees and suppliers are treated better for $28.
For wear the 2 oils below are nearly identical. For cost and availability the Mobil 1 wins hands down. You would have to run the Amsoil twice as long to get the cost/mile to be similar.
11. 5W30 Mobil 1, API SN synthetic = 105,875 psi
zinc = 801 ppm
phosphorus = 842 ppm
moly = 112 ppm
calcium = 799 ppm
TBN = 7.5
13. 0W30 Amsoil Signature Series 25,000 miles, API SN synthetic = 105,008 psi
zinc = 824 ppm
phosphorus = 960 ppm
moly = 161 ppm
calcium = 3,354 ppm
TBN = 11.4
The question posted Australian poster, he said that he can buy AMSOIL Signature Series for similar price with Mobil 1 on sale in Australia.
Many UOA showed that AMSOIL Signature Series at more than 10k miles had excellent retaining TBN and low wear metals. Also, Amsoil warranty change interval up to 25k miles or 1 year(was unlimited time).
These tells me Amsoil is better than Mobil 1, at least no worse than Mobil 1 Extended Performance, especially for someone who drive 20-25k miles a year, with good oil filter he/she can do yearly oil change with AMSOIL Signature Series, instead of twice a year with Mobil 1.
This is not applicable in US because Mobil 1 can easily obtain at Walmart for less than $25-26 5-qt jug, a couple dollars more can get EP. AMSOIL Signature Series is not less than $8-9/qt after tax and shipping.
No, I never used Amsoil of any type but I would if I can get AMSOIL Signature Series for similar price of Mobil 1.
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Motor oil prices are very little compared to gasoline.
Lets see, 12000 a year at 20mpg at 3.00 is about 1,800 dollars
Two oil changes= $100 at about the most..
Alcyon, how many miles do you Asians ( or Oceania) typically run a year? The USA, for the most part, is spread out and built for the auto obile. In Europe and Asia, I would guess, you can walk, bike, take the train, etc to most places.
Still rm149 or rm298 plus filters sounds decent for a year's worth of oil.
Typically , I guess 15000 - 20000km a year.
Malaysia is a very car centric nation, much like the US in that aspect.
Motor oil prices are very little compared to gasoline.
Lets see, 12000 a year at 20mpg at 3.00 is about 1,800 dollars
Two oil changes= $100 at about the most..
Alcyon, how many miles do you Asians ( or Oceania) typically run a year? The USA, for the most part, is spread out and built for the auto obile. In Europe and Asia, I would guess, you can walk, bike, take the train, etc to most places.
Still rm149 or rm298 plus filters sounds decent for a year's worth of oil.
Typically , I guess 15000 - 20000km a year.
Malaysia is a very car centric nation, much like the US in that aspect.
Originally Posted By: Brad_C
Thanks for the great feedback guys. Next change I'll be saving money and going with Amsoil.
To those of you that clearly did not read my original post. 96% of the population of the globe resides outside the USA. Yes, the home of the "World Series" is less than 4% of the global population. There is a whole world out here and we don't have Walmart.
And Australia is less than 0.4% of the global population.
"We"?
Thanks for the great feedback guys. Next change I'll be saving money and going with Amsoil.
To those of you that clearly did not read my original post. 96% of the population of the globe resides outside the USA. Yes, the home of the "World Series" is less than 4% of the global population. There is a whole world out here and we don't have Walmart.
And Australia is less than 0.4% of the global population.
"We"?
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Originally Posted By: robertcope
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
You are the one that made the statement, ergo the onus is on you to provide proof, not for anyone else to prove you are incorrect.
It is unlikely that many of us have a way to analyze either oil, much less to understand that analysis. used oil analysis can't possibly tell us the whole story.
robert
Let me reword my statement and ad imo. I'm judging by the voas.
In my OPINION I think anyone that believes or would like to believe that Mobil 1 is equal to amsoil is dreaming in techno color.
I know, I know, somones gonna say that you cannot judge anything by a voa yet people here do it all the time with valvoline yet have no data to support valvoline is in anyway inferior to the rest. Actually quite the opposite imo.
My experiences with amasoil are superb. I cant say the same for Mobil 1 but I only ever tried it and uoaed it for several ocis I 1 application with high fuel dilution and never tried their ep.
You used the words "clearly superior". On here we like to see those words backed up with something, otherwise you're just another bloviator. Lots of people write advertising copy and call it "science".
Originally Posted By: robertcope
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
How bout you tell me what's in Mobil 1 5w30 that makes it equal to or better than amsoill ss.
You are the one that made the statement, ergo the onus is on you to provide proof, not for anyone else to prove you are incorrect.
It is unlikely that many of us have a way to analyze either oil, much less to understand that analysis. used oil analysis can't possibly tell us the whole story.
robert
Let me reword my statement and ad imo. I'm judging by the voas.
In my OPINION I think anyone that believes or would like to believe that Mobil 1 is equal to amsoil is dreaming in techno color.
I know, I know, somones gonna say that you cannot judge anything by a voa yet people here do it all the time with valvoline yet have no data to support valvoline is in anyway inferior to the rest. Actually quite the opposite imo.
My experiences with amasoil are superb. I cant say the same for Mobil 1 but I only ever tried it and uoaed it for several ocis I 1 application with high fuel dilution and never tried their ep.
You used the words "clearly superior". On here we like to see those words backed up with something, otherwise you're just another bloviator. Lots of people write advertising copy and call it "science".
Originally Posted By: kschachn
And Australia is less than 0.4% of the global population.
Indeed. We have a lot of land and not very many people. I stand by my comments.
I was making an oblique jibe at the insular nature of the average American (proven adequately by some responses in this thread that completely failed to recognize I am part of the 96% of global population that resides outside the US even though I pointed it out clearly). It's a little bit like when I make jokes about the size of Texas, or the UK. It's all relative and meant in the spirit of good fun.
Don't get me wrong, I've been to Walmart. It's just an awfully long flight to buy cheap oil and see things that you just can't un-see no matter how much you drink.
And Australia is less than 0.4% of the global population.
Indeed. We have a lot of land and not very many people. I stand by my comments.
I was making an oblique jibe at the insular nature of the average American (proven adequately by some responses in this thread that completely failed to recognize I am part of the 96% of global population that resides outside the US even though I pointed it out clearly). It's a little bit like when I make jokes about the size of Texas, or the UK. It's all relative and meant in the spirit of good fun.
Don't get me wrong, I've been to Walmart. It's just an awfully long flight to buy cheap oil and see things that you just can't un-see no matter how much you drink.
Amsoil makes top notch oils but no one can determine which is better considering that oils, such as Mobil 1 contain:
"Each blend consists of 15 to 20 different components on average, and by volume breaks down as 75-85 percent base stocks and 15-25 percent wear additives and friction modifiers"
"Each blend consists of 15 to 20 different components on average, and by volume breaks down as 75-85 percent base stocks and 15-25 percent wear additives and friction modifiers"
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