Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Well the discussion here has really been interesting. I have never really thought of our (our being the USA) gas as being "bad" as compared to other countries (low sulfur). I understand that the "Euro" Low SAPS oils are primarily for the EU market. Here in the USA though, I am sure you can use them as long as you keep an eye on your used oil analysis to know how long you can actually go. 3-5k miles max I am sure.
BUT and there is ALWAYS a BUT is the controversy with DI motors and Intake valve deposits that affect almost every brand of DI motor. I am sure Oil and Gas values have allot if not everything to do with this problem. I mentioned earlier that in EU you dont hear of Intake Valve Gunk on the valves. So it makes you wonder, what is different from here
to there
The 2 variables seem to be Gas and Oil. Gas we really can do nothing about, some states like California do have less sulfur but still High compared to EU I am sure. So that leaves the Oil. Do I really care about 10K OCI's for my car? Not really, in my particular application the Mobil 1, PU that I have UOA'd so far both shear badly, both lose their TBN's badly, and after 3k mile used oil analysis Blackstone is saying to "Try 5k next time" which is what I am doing now. So for me to do OCI's in the 3k-5k range is going to happen regardless. So I though, well, why not try the 504 and cross my fingers that the Low SAPS may help the Valve Deposit issue. Though VW expressively wants 502 ONLY for the USA. Nice label in the engine compartment that I showed earlier.
I dont mean to
about this issue, I just like to hear from folks that have more info available. You folks have brought more to the table than I have read in many posts. So I thank you for that. I just dont want to compromise longevity or performance in the process. The Mobil 1 ESP sounds interesting to me, though its not cheap. I can get Redline for the same price, BUT Mobil 1 carries the actual OEM approval that I need (in my manual it does state I may use a 504) though I think the Redline may be the better oil due to its physical make up. Sure I dont know EXACTLY what is in it, but we all can agree that Redline is NOT HC oil while Mobil 1 I am sure is. (for the same money what would you choose? HC or Group 4 and 5?)
I am understanding the values of the Specs with the info provided and it comes down to personal choice. Its a tough choice for me because my engine is forced induction, has DI, I live in an extremely warm climate half the year, and plan to Auto X once in a while. I dont like changing brands and switching oil all the time. One "all around oil" for all I mentioned I felt was the Mobil 1 0w40. Then I am thinking about that $400 valve cleaning job down the road and think....504??? haha
I Do know Redline recommends their standard 5w30 and they told me the "Euro" Low Saps was meant for Diesels. We all know I can use it. I am just debating if I should. My next OC will be due before EDYVW has his UOA done of his ESP Mobil 1 Oil. Im just debating what to put in next?
Jeff
If Mobil 1 ESP passed UOA with flying colors, then use it. It is in my wife's car. She drives on dry 50mph where 75mph is speed limit. Her longest commute is to gym, which is 8min away. So I have to take Tig sometimes to rev it up to redline in order to get that gas out, and put some life in it.
So if this Mobil 1 ESP proves good in her car, then we know it is OK.
In my car is different story. I might try Redline Euro and see how it holds. Granted, my car is out of warranty, that is why I went with Mobil 1 in my wife's car since it is still under warranty.
