Around me diesel is about $4.25/gallon. 87 octane is $3.85/gallon, and 15 cents/gallon cheaper in the next town over while diesel is still $4.25/gallon. Assuming 15k miles a year, the numbers break down as follows: Assuming 30 mpg for the gas Cruze, fueling it for 15k miles would be $1925 per year. Assuming 40 mpg for the diesel Cruze, that same 15k miles would be $1593. So one would save $332 in fuel over the course of the year. For people who drive 50-60k miles a year, the savings of a diesel could be significant, and even more so if the spread between gas and diesel is less than around here.
Almost Official!...Cruze Diesel is a GO!
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I am glad to hear of the Cruze diesel only because I am interested what its competition will bring to the table....Toyotas , Fords, Mazda or even a Honda will only be the ones that it will make me reach for my wallet if I were to get a diesel.
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For those of you that don't think a diesel can be fun have never driven a BMW 335d.
Originally Posted By: rg200amp
I do not get putting diesels into small econo cars!!!
I agree with that..IMHO I think GM would be better off putting a diesel in the Impala..I see Impalas everywhere I go and it is MUCH more of a long distance car then the Cruze.
I finally took a long look at a Cruze last night in Miami Beach..It is not a bad looking car but it is still a econo car no matter how you look it at..There is no way I would even consider even renting one for a long haul.
I have seen less then 5 Cruzes since they came out in my neck of the woods..I drove out to Tampa one day last week and I did not see one Cruze out on I-75 but I did see alot of Impalas..I do not even see any Cruzes on I-95 in Miami or Broward..The very few I did see were crawling along around in gridlock traffic in Miami Beach.
I do not get putting diesels into small econo cars!!!
I agree with that..IMHO I think GM would be better off putting a diesel in the Impala..I see Impalas everywhere I go and it is MUCH more of a long distance car then the Cruze.
I finally took a long look at a Cruze last night in Miami Beach..It is not a bad looking car but it is still a econo car no matter how you look it at..There is no way I would even consider even renting one for a long haul.
I have seen less then 5 Cruzes since they came out in my neck of the woods..I drove out to Tampa one day last week and I did not see one Cruze out on I-75 but I did see alot of Impalas..I do not even see any Cruzes on I-95 in Miami or Broward..The very few I did see were crawling along around in gridlock traffic in Miami Beach.
Gotta remember that there are A LOT of "grey hairs" down there with you, LOL.
I would imagine that due to the demographics that cars like the Impala, varuious Buicks, and yep CV and such would be much more in evidence down there that in many other parts of the country today.
I would imagine that due to the demographics that cars like the Impala, varuious Buicks, and yep CV and such would be much more in evidence down there that in many other parts of the country today.
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
I have seen less then 5 Cruzes since they came out in my neck of the woods..I drove out to Tampa one day last week and I did not see one Cruze out on I-75 but I did see alot of Impalas..I do not even see any Cruzes on I-95 in Miami or Broward..The very few I did see were crawling along around in gridlock traffic in Miami Beach.
Yeah, it depends a lot on your location. They're all over the place here.
I have seen less then 5 Cruzes since they came out in my neck of the woods..I drove out to Tampa one day last week and I did not see one Cruze out on I-75 but I did see alot of Impalas..I do not even see any Cruzes on I-95 in Miami or Broward..The very few I did see were crawling along around in gridlock traffic in Miami Beach.
Yeah, it depends a lot on your location. They're all over the place here.
Originally Posted By: NateDN10
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
I have seen less then 5 Cruzes since they came out in my neck of the woods..I drove out to Tampa one day last week and I did not see one Cruze out on I-75 but I did see alot of Impalas..I do not even see any Cruzes on I-95 in Miami or Broward..The very few I did see were crawling along around in gridlock traffic in Miami Beach.
Yeah, it depends a lot on your location. They're all over the place here.
Lots of Cruzes down by me, too. Folks down here apparently love the high-mileage Eco Cruzes, since the local dealers won't move on price at all for them.
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
I have seen less then 5 Cruzes since they came out in my neck of the woods..I drove out to Tampa one day last week and I did not see one Cruze out on I-75 but I did see alot of Impalas..I do not even see any Cruzes on I-95 in Miami or Broward..The very few I did see were crawling along around in gridlock traffic in Miami Beach.
Yeah, it depends a lot on your location. They're all over the place here.
Lots of Cruzes down by me, too. Folks down here apparently love the high-mileage Eco Cruzes, since the local dealers won't move on price at all for them.
I get the impression that, at least in the world of BITOG, small car = econo car. That's certainly an interesting and inaccurate assumption.
I've got no problems with a diesel in the Cruze, it's a good looking car and I'm sure it would be an excellent combination.
Clark
I've got no problems with a diesel in the Cruze, it's a good looking car and I'm sure it would be an excellent combination.
Clark
Originally Posted By: ClarkB
I get the impression that, at least in the world of BITOG, small car = econo car. That's certainly an interesting and inaccurate assumption.
I've got no problems with a diesel in the Cruze, it's a good looking car and I'm sure it would be an excellent combination.
Clark
Yeah, the Cruze is definitely no econobox, as you'd think of one.
I get the impression that, at least in the world of BITOG, small car = econo car. That's certainly an interesting and inaccurate assumption.
I've got no problems with a diesel in the Cruze, it's a good looking car and I'm sure it would be an excellent combination.
Clark
Yeah, the Cruze is definitely no econobox, as you'd think of one.
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Originally Posted By: sciphi
Around me diesel is about $4.25/gallon. 87 octane is $3.85/gallon, and 15 cents/gallon cheaper in the next town over while diesel is still $4.25/gallon. Assuming 15k miles a year, the numbers break down as follows: Assuming 30 mpg for the gas Cruze, fueling it for 15k miles would be $1925 per year. Assuming 40 mpg for the diesel Cruze, that same 15k miles would be $1593. So one would save $332 in fuel over the course of the year. For people who drive 50-60k miles a year, the savings of a diesel could be significant, and even more so if the spread between gas and diesel is less than around here.
Wow, thats a big difference. Here RUG is 3.57 and diesel is 3.71. Diesel is generally around the same or slightly less than PUG.
Around me diesel is about $4.25/gallon. 87 octane is $3.85/gallon, and 15 cents/gallon cheaper in the next town over while diesel is still $4.25/gallon. Assuming 15k miles a year, the numbers break down as follows: Assuming 30 mpg for the gas Cruze, fueling it for 15k miles would be $1925 per year. Assuming 40 mpg for the diesel Cruze, that same 15k miles would be $1593. So one would save $332 in fuel over the course of the year. For people who drive 50-60k miles a year, the savings of a diesel could be significant, and even more so if the spread between gas and diesel is less than around here.
Wow, thats a big difference. Here RUG is 3.57 and diesel is 3.71. Diesel is generally around the same or slightly less than PUG.
Originally Posted By: MarkM66
Cruzes already seem overpriced IMO, I can only imagine how much a diesel is going to tack on.
I can't argue with this....I was looking at some cars on the dealer near me and the Cruze's he had on the lot were very close to a base Malibu, and I'm sure they'd deal on a Malibu more than they would a Cruze.
That having been said, price a Jetta TDI. Despite the car being advertised as a $16K starting price, I have yet to see one in my area for much less than $25K.
Cruzes already seem overpriced IMO, I can only imagine how much a diesel is going to tack on.
I can't argue with this....I was looking at some cars on the dealer near me and the Cruze's he had on the lot were very close to a base Malibu, and I'm sure they'd deal on a Malibu more than they would a Cruze.
That having been said, price a Jetta TDI. Despite the car being advertised as a $16K starting price, I have yet to see one in my area for much less than $25K.
Cruze is selling really well at the current price point. Am I misinterpreting the definition of overpriced?
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Originally Posted By: eljefino
Yup. We forget about the 1980s diesel:
Camry
Sentra
Lynx/Escort, Tempo/Topaz, Ranger
Gutless Ciera/Century
I-mark/Chevette
Jeep Comanche (and XJ Cherokee?)
And most of those non turbos can stay forgotten.
I had a coworker state, and I believe him, that most of these cars were exported to South America in about 1990, to take advantage of their then super low diesel prices, and our short attention spans.
Volvo had one in their 200 series swedishbrick with an Audi inline 6 diesel. Awesome car with a manual four speed and an electric overdrive. 33mpg and 300k, slow stodgy and safe.
Didn't Lincoln have a diesel in the 82-84 models?
Yup. We forget about the 1980s diesel:
Camry
Sentra
Lynx/Escort, Tempo/Topaz, Ranger
Gutless Ciera/Century
I-mark/Chevette
Jeep Comanche (and XJ Cherokee?)
And most of those non turbos can stay forgotten.
I had a coworker state, and I believe him, that most of these cars were exported to South America in about 1990, to take advantage of their then super low diesel prices, and our short attention spans.
Volvo had one in their 200 series swedishbrick with an Audi inline 6 diesel. Awesome car with a manual four speed and an electric overdrive. 33mpg and 300k, slow stodgy and safe.
Didn't Lincoln have a diesel in the 82-84 models?
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Cruze is selling really well at the current price point. Am I misinterpreting the definition of overpriced?
I guess my definition of "overpriced" is the example I gave. The sticker pricing I've seen on Cruze's in my area comes very close to a base Malibu's and the gas mileage penalty for a Malibu over a Cruze is livable to me.
I guess I'm from the more-car-for-less-$$$ school of thought.
Cruze is selling really well at the current price point. Am I misinterpreting the definition of overpriced?
I guess my definition of "overpriced" is the example I gave. The sticker pricing I've seen on Cruze's in my area comes very close to a base Malibu's and the gas mileage penalty for a Malibu over a Cruze is livable to me.
I guess I'm from the more-car-for-less-$$$ school of thought.
Originally Posted By: opus1
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Cruze is selling really well at the current price point. Am I misinterpreting the definition of overpriced?
I guess my definition of "overpriced" is the example I gave. The sticker pricing I've seen on Cruze's in my area comes very close to a base Malibu's and the gas mileage penalty for a Malibu over a Cruze is livable to me.
I guess I'm from the more-car-for-less-$$$ school of thought.
The Cruze is actually a nicer car than a malibu, if a little smaller. Interior design is better, better engine as well.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Cruze is selling really well at the current price point. Am I misinterpreting the definition of overpriced?
I guess my definition of "overpriced" is the example I gave. The sticker pricing I've seen on Cruze's in my area comes very close to a base Malibu's and the gas mileage penalty for a Malibu over a Cruze is livable to me.
I guess I'm from the more-car-for-less-$$$ school of thought.
The Cruze is actually a nicer car than a malibu, if a little smaller. Interior design is better, better engine as well.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Cruze is selling really well at the current price point. Am I misinterpreting the definition of overpriced?
It just seems high to me considering it's Chevy's bottom of the line car, (I don't count the Aveo as a car to consider
) .
But I guess that's what we've come to.
Cruze is selling really well at the current price point. Am I misinterpreting the definition of overpriced?
It just seems high to me considering it's Chevy's bottom of the line car, (I don't count the Aveo as a car to consider
But I guess that's what we've come to.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Someone wants to be the guinea pig, GO AHEAD.
Mate, the rest of the world has been using diesel in passenger cars for decades...you do know that there's a "rest of the world" don't you ?
They have been extraordinarily successful (GM included).
http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-news/cruze_diesel_the_first_australian_made
Unless the US market is getting a sawn off small block specifically, then your comments ARE ill informed
Exactly right Shannow...it would seem that for some on here, the exception proves the rule.
With all the backtracking addyguy is doing from his original comment, the only accurate part that remains is "I might be old fashioned"
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Someone wants to be the guinea pig, GO AHEAD.
Mate, the rest of the world has been using diesel in passenger cars for decades...you do know that there's a "rest of the world" don't you ?
They have been extraordinarily successful (GM included).
http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-news/cruze_diesel_the_first_australian_made
Unless the US market is getting a sawn off small block specifically, then your comments ARE ill informed
Exactly right Shannow...it would seem that for some on here, the exception proves the rule.
With all the backtracking addyguy is doing from his original comment, the only accurate part that remains is "I might be old fashioned"
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: bepperb
I'm not sure I'd want to take an otherwise fun to drive car and put a diesel in it.
Diesel engines can be fun, too, if they're turbocharged. Lots of torque = fun.
But if the main focus is MPG, then yeah, it probably won't be particularly powerful. There aren't many cars out there that are fun to drive and offer exceptional fuel economy at the same time...
Any Corvette from the lasrt 20 years or so will provide more power and handling ability than greater than >99.5% of the motoring public could use. Take for example my 02 Z06: 0-60 in 4 sec flat, almost 1G on the skidpad and while turning 1500 rpm at 60 mph in 6th gear, rewards you with 29 mpg. That is the real fun to drive factor missing from many cars today. Today's cars need to do something (hopefully more than one thing) great----be it mileage, acceleration, handling in order to succeed. Do at least one thing well, (Lexus and quuality comes to mind) and the buyers will find you
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Originally Posted By: bepperb
I'm not sure I'd want to take an otherwise fun to drive car and put a diesel in it.
Diesel engines can be fun, too, if they're turbocharged. Lots of torque = fun.
But if the main focus is MPG, then yeah, it probably won't be particularly powerful. There aren't many cars out there that are fun to drive and offer exceptional fuel economy at the same time...
Any Corvette from the lasrt 20 years or so will provide more power and handling ability than greater than >99.5% of the motoring public could use. Take for example my 02 Z06: 0-60 in 4 sec flat, almost 1G on the skidpad and while turning 1500 rpm at 60 mph in 6th gear, rewards you with 29 mpg. That is the real fun to drive factor missing from many cars today. Today's cars need to do something (hopefully more than one thing) great----be it mileage, acceleration, handling in order to succeed. Do at least one thing well, (Lexus and quuality comes to mind) and the buyers will find you
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