Additives that work.........

[Gary Allan]

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Though I believe this is not typical, in fact I would suspect that it's more typical for the NEW car to get the $ spent on it, even if it's not needed! where as a few years down the road and a model year later, preventive maintenance lapses.


Well, for the most part, you're correct. I would state that most of those cars ..as the newness wears off, get sold after a few years of "I don't feel the love for you, anymore".

I also believe that most engines will endure some form of insult that is insidious and totally not apparent to the owner/driver even if it reduces performance. The daily driver never notices degradation on the incremental level and may perform routine maintenance and assume that current levels of performance are totally optimal. It may not ever translate to loss of fuel economy. Loss of "drivability" can just be inconvenient and be tossed into the same bin as an annoying traffic jam.

There are far more people out there that know just enough to "know" their way to trouble since they believe that they know it all. They out number up to date experienced people by a large margin.

 

[John K]

Maybe they should call ATF a negative when used as an additive?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: John K
Maybe they should call ATF a negative when used as an additive?


I think so.

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: es350
Originally Posted By: expat
I think es350 gets my drift.
The vehicles that I have known to live (and perform well) into high mileages have had regular maintenance over their entire life.
Though I believe this is not typical, in fact I would suspect that it's more typical for the NEW car to get the $ spent on it, even if it's not needed! where as a few years down the road and a model year later, preventive maintenance lapses.
I believe (and I believe that Mori is testament to this and has photos to support it ;-) ) that no oil additives are required if proper routine maintenance is performed.
Is there ANY Auto manufacturer 'in the world' that endorsed an oil additive?


I agree. Most cars need nothing more then the basics (in the manual). Just look at the cars that have gone 200K miles or even 1 million miles without anything but normal oil change etc (outlined in manual). Not targeting any product just what I have seen / read.

Now there are ZERO manufactures that will endorse any oil additives in writing. A few users said they did but when you ask the manufactures, well, you figure it out.

Issue at hand, as I see it, is users are tied to certain products and will push them. YMMV


I put 300K miles on a 88 Town Car and almost 200K miles on 99 Grand Marquis plus in the 70's put on way over 100K miles on a Impalas,GTO's and Caddys...Never added any of those Additives listed here or did a RX or anything like that...Just did the regular maintenance.

 

[Rick20]

Wow, that is alot of driving. By my calculations you must have averaged roughly 27,000 miles per year on the Lincoln and about 25,000 per year on the Merc. What are you going to do when Obama rids the country of cars we want to buy? I see the 4,000 plus pound car going away soon. Hopefully Ford will continue making a true full sized car, if they can compete with Government Motors.

If I were a guessing man, I would guess that these last 2 units saw mostly open road driving which is pretty effortless on the drive train.

 

[Mystic]

I would put Auto-RX at the top of any list of additives that seem to work.

I still believe in Lubegard products a lot, even though I have not used any in quite a while. If Auto-RX disappeared I think I would give that Lubegard Engine Flush a try.

I kind of believe in Marvel Mystery Oil. It has been around forever and it sometimes seems to help in the gas.

I believe in Bars Leaks.

Actually Rain-X really does seem to work. I like to use windows wash fluid that contains it.

I like Techron fuel system cleaner an Regane Gummout in the clear container. And I like Stabil fuel additive to keep gas in my lawnmower from going bad.

That is about all I can think of right now. I never used Slick50 but I have to admit I did use to use Tufoil oil supplement. I have not used it for years. I have heard, but I have never tried, that Tufoil gun oil is actually a good product.

 

[rkpatt]

I am pretty much in agreement with Mystic's post above . Howver, I don't use MMO or would ever put any additives in the name brand synthetic motor oil that I use .

Lubegard products are available at NAPA , Oreilly Auto Parts , and http://www.bulkpart.com .

 

[Rick20]

Mystic,

Why would you think that ARX is going away? I don't see that happening.

 

[Volvohead]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Auto-Rx works great in the:

1) Transmission
2) Powersteering
3) Differential
4) Engine


ARX works in all these applications. But I would not leave it in a power steering system as a permanent additive. It increases lubricity to the point where it can affect the "feel" of some systems, by overly reducing design friction. It's better to use LC-20 as a long-term supplement there.

 

[Rick20]

Volvohead,

ARX instructions state to run the cleaning dose for 1000 miles, then purge or replace fluid. Once cleaned and fluid replaced you should be good to go. Power steering units lube needs to be replaced every 50,000 to 80,000 miles from what I see in my manuals based owners manuals. The ARX application is for removing deposits from spent fluid into suspension prior to fluid replacement. It was never recommended to leave in the system.

 

[es350]

Originally Posted By: Rick20
Mystic,

Why would you think that ARX is going away? I don't see that happening.


Your reading into it WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to much. But I remember people saying the samething about slide rulers and records.!












AKA- that a joke too.

 

[Gary Allan]

I've found Lubegaurd Red effective in treating non-+4 fluid to the point that it worked in my 30RH (904) trans. I had no converter shudder. So, I have to say it worked in preventing what it was alleged to prevent. This was before I installed Molecules ATF that he formulated for these applications.

 

[Mystic]

Rick20, there has been some discussion here about Frank being approached to sell his patent or patents for Auto-RX. I don't know if that is correct or not but if it did happen what would happen to Auto-RX? It might become unavailable, it might be changed and perhaps weakened, it might not be for sale anymore in the USA, it might be much more expensive-who knows?

That discussion made me kind of nervous because I do believe in Auto-RX. It seemed to work for me. If it did not actually work for me than it was a strange coincidence.

I do like the idea of being able to clean an engine. It stands to reason that a clean engine will last longer and run better and probably get better fuel mileage. If Auto-RX ever did become unavailable I would have to figure something else out. Maybe use Mobil 1 HM oil in my car or maybe try Lubegard Engine Flush.

 

[moribundman]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
there has been some discussion here about Frank being approached to sell his patent or patents for Auto-RX.


Let me quote from this thread from seven years ago:


Originally Posted By: Frank
Bob let me say Auto-Rx is not an oil. Where would you come up with that? Every engine including yours has friction points where third party abrasives lodge. Every day major oil companys are testing Auto-Rx (as Terry Dyson knows ) one corporation spent in excess of $100,000 in tests
(Rich, Terry,myself have the tests they are covered under a secrecy agreement with the corporation)so we can't post them. Bob you know Most Oil Companys buy there additive packages and blend them. Auto-Rx is being tested not for cleaning but for replacing two additives soon to be banned in oil. Is Auto-Rx going to prevail as part of an oil additive package I don't think so. It was designed as a stand alone product.My point is I don't see other products being tested by this corporation. Auto-Rx cleans in and around the friction points in areas oil fails to clean or lubricate.Mobil,Texaco,Shell have all got cleansing results over and beyond what "ANY" of there oils produced by themselves, however thats not what there looking for and most don't want a stand alone product.
One last thing "Mineral Oil drips off of oil lubricated parts when engine or machinery is shut down, "Synthetic Oil" with polar properties have a greater attraction to metal surfaces than mineral oil, Bob thats what I mean by "coating" when i refer to synthetic oil. Auto-Rx is non hazardous non reportable metal cleaner good for engines and transmissions.


If "one corporation spent in excess of $100,000 in tests" by 2002, I am not holding my breath expecting ARX to disappear any time soon.

 

[Mystic]

Well, it seems to me in that case that one or more corporations KNOW that Auto-RX is effective to at least some degree. If they were hoping to replace one or additives in their own oil either with Auto-RX, some of the components of Auto-RX, or their own version of additives somewhat like Auto-RX, they must be convinced that Auto-RX has some value.

If Auto-RX had zero value and they knew it, they would not be spending money testing Auto-RX and trying to maybe develop their own additives to achieve some of the results of Auto-RX.

 

[moribundman]

Seems to me, maybe, perhaps.

 

[GMorg]

It seems from the quote above that the interested party was trying to replace other additives with AutoRX and were not investigating cleaning properties. I'm not convinced that the quote suggests that the other party was convinced that AutoRX was a good way to keep an engine clean.

Keep in mind that I am regular user of AutoRX and am not knocking the product. I just don't see the quote above as proof that a major blender is convinced that AutoRX would improve their own blend.

 

[sprintman]

RX by far as long as

A) You use the right oil

B) You totally ignore Franks instructions

Then you will get the result you should.

Easy as really...s

 

[ADFD1]

I'm liking Schaeffers #132, 1/2 bottle seems to be working well in my uncles boat. I will be trying some myself soon, I might cut it back slightly with some MMO, as per a friends suggestion.

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[Rick20]

Tell us about your uncles boat. I am interested. I just saw an except from the Miami Boat show last night. A company has designed a propeller that has slide in foils on the prop blades.
As the motor wears and becomes less efficient you can slidge out the original foil and slide in a less aggressive one, so that it puts less strain on the motor. It really amounts to gearing down the drive train so that the motor works less. Of coarse the down side would be less top end speed and possibly less economy. But the engine life should be extended. Instead of spending the bucks to dry dock the yaught and change propellers, a diver can change the prop foils if you will in about 10 minutes.