A Shift in the French Fry Market

I can go to many all you can eat Chinese buffets around me for the same cost as Mcdonalds. We're talking shrimp, crablegs even some times, etc. Way more tasty. My wife loves the sushi.

Its good Mcdonalds has the $5 meal deal. Only thing saving them.
 
A funny-to-me observation: people complain about their French fries being soggy. If French fries were double-fried the way the French make them rhey'd be creamy on the inside and crispy on the outside. The fries are first fried at a lower temperature to cook them and then a second time at a higher temperature to make the outside golden crispy. Of course, the French method is not suited for fast food because it takes more time and effort.
There is a episode of Martha Stewart living where she made fries just like you described. Tried it they were great but a lot of work. This also describes the Fries at Red Door Grill. They are wonderful and ALWAYS hot. .
 
I think it's a combination of price and flavor these days. Fries from McDonald's used to be the gold standard, now I don't even like them. It has everything to do with the oil they're cooking them in. If they want to see a return of their customer base, they should consider spending more on their oil.
 
A funny-to-me observation: people complain about their French fries being soggy. If French fries were double-fried the way the French make them rhey'd be creamy on the inside and crispy on the outside. The fries are first fried at a lower temperature to cook them and then a second time at a higher temperature to make the outside golden crispy. Of course, the French method is not suited for fast food because it takes more time and effort.

The French use Russet potatoes for fries. The Brits use Maris Piper, and the Germans use firmer and less starchy potatoes similar to Yukon Gold potatoes. The Swiss like Victoria potatoes for fries. In Japan fries are usually made with sweet potatoes.
I wonder what kind of potatoes I had in Norway. They are double fried, quite salty, and absolutely delicious with some gravy made of sherry and other things…
 
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I wonder what kind of potatoes I had in Norway. They are double fried, quite salty, and absolutely delicious with some gravy made of sherry and other things…
Red and yellow potatoes are common in Nordic countries. They certainly have both, starchy and waxy variants.
 
I think it's a combination of price and flavor these days. Fries from McDonald's used to be the gold standard, now I don't even like them. It has everything to do with the oil they're cooking them in. If they want to see a return of their customer base, they should consider spending more on their oil.
McDonald’s old fries were fried in beef lard.

They used to spend less on fry oil because it came from frying fatty hamburger, the fries were fried in a mix of beef grease (lard) and the usual suspects.

Once they removed the lard every restaurant freely generated the fries changed flavor
 
McDonald’s old fries were fried in beef lard.

They used to spend less on fry oil because it came from frying fatty hamburger, the fries were fried in a mix of beef grease (lard) and the usual suspects.

Once they removed the lard every restaurant freely generated the fries changed flavor

Lard is pork fat. McDonald's used a frying mixture that was mostly beef tallow. Not that it's healthy in any way, but beef fat tends to be relatively high in monounsaturated fats. It didn't come from reusing burger drippings. That stuff is almost always scraped off into grease collectors and can't really be reused. My understanding is that beef fat cooked to griddle temperature is likely going to burn if reused in a deep fryer.

The mixture was made from rendered beef suet because their supplier at the time couldn't afford the equipment to make hydrogenated vegetable oils. I'm pretty sure that over time, McDonald's needed multiple suppliers and could have switched to vegetable oil at any time, but the fries were great.

In the beginning, the McDonald brothers had one hamburger stand, and they bought their fry oil from Interstate. At the time, partially hydrogenated vegetable oil was the preferred frying oil, but hydrogenation equipment was too expensive for Interstate’s tiny operation. By providing clients with a blend of about 7% vegetable oil and 93% beef tallow, they could extend the oil’s shelf life without the use of costly machinery. McDonald’s irresistibly crispy, flavorful french fries? Simply a byproduct of frugal savvy.​
Ray Kroc, the salesman who would become the founder of the McDonald’s franchise, fell in love with this beef tallow–fried version in 1954. Imagining the treat replicated across the country, Kroc bought the restaurant’s franchise rights. He became a master of the french fry, developing potato curing methods and a “potato computer” to perfect cooking time.​
 
How many of you remember when McD’s fries still had the peel on them?

Coffee is half the price at my closest McD’s if you use the app instead of ordering at the window. It’s attached to a gas station, not a stand-alone restaurant. Before Covid a sausage muffin was $1 and now it’s $2.29 which is more than a 2X increase in four years.

There’s nothing on the “dollar menu” that costs a dollar anymore.
 
How many of you remember when McD’s fries still had the peel on them?

Coffee is half the price at my closest McD’s if you use the app instead of ordering at the window. It’s attached to a gas station, not a stand-alone restaurant. Before Covid a sausage muffin was $1 and now it’s $2.29 which is more than a 2X increase in four years.

There’s nothing on the “dollar menu” that costs a dollar anymore.

The only thing I can find for a dollar now (other than extra sauce tubs for 29 cents each) is a small soft drink. And not all locations have that price.

The dollar menu didn’t make money for franchise owners. They wanted it gone over a decade ago. It was hard for franchise owners to not participate in that pricing, even though it was supposedly at each franchise operator’s discretion.

Accounting for about one-seventh of the chain's total sales, the Dollar Menu, once a brilliant marketing gimmick, is now an anchor—both economically and metaphorically, speaking—enraging franchisees who can't make any money selling 2013 processed cow meat at 2002 prices. McDonald's has experimented with raising prices and tweaking its offerings to appease owners, but by November, the Dollar Menu will be gone, essentially.​

The $5 meal deal seems to be a happy medium, although around here it’s $6 with a McDouble rather than a McChicken. I don't quite get it since the a la carte price of a McDouble is usually the same as a McChicken.
 
How many of you remember when McD’s fries still had the peel on them?

Coffee is half the price at my closest McD’s if you use the app instead of ordering at the window. It’s attached to a gas station, not a stand-alone restaurant. Before Covid a sausage muffin was $1 and now it’s $2.29 which is more than a 2X increase in four years.

There’s nothing on the “dollar menu” that costs a dollar anymore.
I’m disappointed that the cheapest Sausage McMuffin isn’t all day anymore.

I rather have that most of the time over a McChicken
 
I really like the freshness vs double fried between freezings classic Lamb Weston offering.

At in-n-out the fries must go down either before the burger, or need to be finished no later than the burger.

If you are a fries after burger guy, or they are headed home forget it.

Agree, but like pizza, fries of all ilks can be good, and even bad ones can still be edible.

Onion rings, on the other hand, take more work and are more difficult to do well, which I why I suspect many places don't offer them.

When I see them on the menu I keep expectations low, whereas fries are harder to mess up.

This overly enthusiastic Asian family were a blast to just watch, I knew what they were saying when they were describing everything by their faces even though I didnt understand a single word.

Looks like there was a tour group of some kind. That's a statement about the establishment in itself.

I’m disappointed that the cheapest Sausage McMuffin isn’t all day anymore.

I rather have that most of the time over a McChicken

The breakfast menu is the only reason I considered going to McD, and since the all-day availability was eliminated, I haven't been back since.

Also in large part because the last time I did go, the prices for a biscuit, hash brown, and OJ surpassed what I'm willing to pay for that kind of stuff.
 
I like to make my own fries. While hamburgers are good, I prefer steak with my fries.

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Actually McDonalds fries are pretty good, no animal fat or trans fat. My dad and I used to help make fries at a large community fare about 65+ years ago. The guy we worked for was known to make the best fries in the hole PA Dutch area. They were out of this world.

I know good fries when I taste them. McDonalds fries are right up there. If you have an app you can ALWAYS get a medium fies with your meal..always.
Toxic seed oil ?
 
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