A list of SN Add Packs and Amounts for Oils

[volk06]

People have been wondering what add pack different oils have. I took data from VOA and PDS and created a list of SN oils.I know there are a lot more oils out there but these are the SN oil analysis I could get a hold of. I did use a UOA a few times so those numbers might be lower. This is so people can see which additives each oil uses regardless of the PPM, since there is some lab error in them (I also rounded a few to make them even 5 or 10 numbers, 1 or 2 ppm isn't going to matter). I Used on SN oils since this is the spec now. I had to abbreviate everything to make it fit ok in the code since I can't figure out how to attach a excel without making it http.

Code:

Brand	Oil	Weight	Spec	Moly	Boron	Sodium	Ti	Ca	Mg	Zinc 	Phos	TBN 	Information source
AC Del.	S/B	5w-30	SN	70	220	NA	NA	2260	NA	880	760	6.7	Blackstone VOA
Castrol	Edge	10w-40	SN	75	65	NA	NA	750	1475	815	715	10.9	Blackstone VOA
Chevron	Supreme	5w-30	SN	175	110	NA	NA	2260	10	865	?	8.7	PQI test
Havo.	Con.	5w-30	SN	NA	114	NA	NA	2030	40	825	640	8.7	Blackstone VOA
Honda	F/S	0w-20	SN	60	185	NA	NA	1700	6	720	580	8	Blackstone VOA
Kendall	GT1 -LT	10w-30	SN	30	206	NA	60	1522	5	697	508	8.1	Blackstone VOA
Lucas	?	5w-30	SN	NA	NA	340	NA	1375	5	755	635	6.8	Blackstone VOA
Lucas	?	10w-30	SN	NA	NA	350	Na	1425	5	770	670	6.9	Blackstone VOA
MC	S/B	5w-20	SN	80	235	NA	NA	2135	10	860	740	7.3	Blackstone VOA
Mobil	Super	5w-30	SN	NA	NA	330	36	1685	15	720	630	7.7	Blackstone VOA
Mobil	SS	5w-30	SN	NA	NA	340	26	1340	7	670	610	7.1	Blackstone VOA
Mobil 1	Mobil 1	0w-40	SN	75	220	NA	NA	3000	20	1025	890	12.5	Blackstone VOA
Mobil 1	AFE	0w-20	SN	60	75	NA	NA	845	630	550	540	8	Blackstone VOA
Mobil 1	EP	5w-30	SN	77	92	NA	NA	1015	746	812	675	9.3	Blackstone VOA
Pennz	PYB	5w-30	SN	243	87	NA	NA	2265	10	880	710	?	Blackstone UOA
Pennz	Plat.	5w-30	SN	67	4	NA	NA	2569	7	790	647	?	Blackstone UOA
QS	UD	5w-20	SN	60	NA	NA	NA	2450	11	770	720	9.2	Blackstone VOA
Valvo	NGML/ML	5w-30	SN	140	NA	490	NA	2110	NA	830	760	8.7	Valvoline PDS
Valvo	SP	5w-30	SN	NA	NA	490	NA	2110	NA	830	760	8.7	Valvoline PDS
Valvo	NG/Con.	5w-30	SN	NA	NA	490	NA	1620	NA	830	760	7.5	Valvoline PDS
Valvo	DB	5w-30	SN	NA	NA	490	NA	2110	NA	830	760	8.7	Valvoline PDS

NA= Not applicable (doesn't use) AC Del. = AC Delco Havo. = Havoline Pennz= Pennzoil MC= Motorcraft QS= Quaker State Valvo= Valvoline Con. = Conventional F/S = Full Synthetic GT1-LT = Liquid Titanium SS = Super Synthetic AFE= Advanced Fuel Economy EP = Extended Protection S/B = Synthetic Blend PYB = Pennzoil Yellow Bottle Plat.= Platinum UD=Ultimate Durability NGML/ML = Nextgen/Maxlife (Since levels should be the same) SP= Synpower NG/Con. Nextgen/Conventional (Since levels should be the same) DB= Durablend Ti= Titanium Ca = Calcium Mg = Magnesium Phos = Phosphorus Enjoy!

 

[justinf89]

Nice, thanks a lot for the hard work.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Great, thank you for putting this together.

 

[BobsArmory]

Great job. THanks for your hard work.

 

[CMMeadAM]

That list took a lot of patience and a great deal of effort ! THANK YOU !!!

 

[Scorch]

Awesome chart, great work!

 

[mongo161]

Nice spreadsheet on some of the popular oils used on the forum. Thanks for your hard work. It is appreciated and will be a great source of information.

 

[synthetic_crazy]

845 for the calcium on Mobil 1's AFE 0W-20 seems low; from some of the UOAs posted here, if I remember correctly, they are in the 1700-2200 range. Also the calcium on Castrol Edge's is very low. An analysis on my Corolla when using Edge produced a calcium value in the low 3000 range. Could the new SN formula in fact be this low in regard to the calcium?

 

[jimbo64]

Thanks for doing that! I think I'd have gone blind or cross-eyed putting that together. Is it just me, or does Pennzoil yellow bottle look pretty darn good? Like compared to the 10w-30 PP I just dumped out because my Chevy 5.3L engine hated it? My neighbor uses 5w-30 yellow bottle exclusively in his '01 Ford 4.6L 4x4 at 140k and it runs and sounds like new. Very interesting chart.

 

[spasm3]

Originally Posted By: jimbo64

Thanks for doing that! I think I'd have gone blind or cross-eyed putting that together. Is it just me, or does Pennzoil yellow bottle look pretty darn good? Like compared to the 10w-30 PP I just dumped out because my Chevy 5.3L engine hated it? My neighbor uses 5w-30 yellow bottle exclusively in his '01 Ford 4.6L 4x4 at 140k and it runs and sounds like new. Very interesting chart.

I thought the same thing! look at the moly and the zinc.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: synthetic_crazy

845 for the calcium on Mobil 1's AFE 0W-20 seems low; from some of the UOAs posted here, if I remember correctly, they are in the 1700-2200 range. Also the calcium on Castrol Edge's is very low. An analysis on my Corolla when using Edge produced a calcium value in the low 3000 range. Could the new SN formula in fact be this low in regard to the calcium?

That was the SM and old versions. The SN Mobil 1 oils are all now a calcium/magnesium combo. The all cut the calcium way down and increased the magnesium A LOT to help with TBN retention.

 

[jimbo64]

Originally Posted By: spasm3

Originally Posted By: jimbo64

Thanks for doing that! I think I'd have gone blind or cross-eyed putting that together. Is it just me, or does Pennzoil yellow bottle look pretty darn good? Like compared to the 10w-30 PP I just dumped out because my Chevy 5.3L engine hated it? My neighbor uses 5w-30 yellow bottle exclusively in his '01 Ford 4.6L 4x4 at 140k and it runs and sounds like new. Very interesting chart.

I thought the same thing! look at the moly and the zinc.

Exactly! I couldn't believe the moly content. Isn't moly on the pricey side? Thought I read that somewhere...probably here. And the zinc is pretty much right with the rest of them for emission system non-failures. Very impressive.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: spasm3

[quote=jimbo64]Thanks for doing that! I think I'd have gone blind or cross-eyed putting that together.

I used colors on excel to make it a lot easier to read! Too bad we can just upload files onto here. Made some very interesting charts as well.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: spasm3

Originally Posted By: jimbo64

Thanks for doing that! I think I'd have gone blind or cross-eyed putting that together. Is it just me, or does Pennzoil yellow bottle look pretty darn good? Like compared to the 10w-30 PP I just dumped out because my Chevy 5.3L engine hated it? My neighbor uses 5w-30 yellow bottle exclusively in his '01 Ford 4.6L 4x4 at 140k and it runs and sounds like new. Very interesting chart.

I thought the same thing! look at the moly and the zinc.

Also factor in that the only source for PYB and PP I had was a UOA, there is probably some boron depletion and left overs from previous oil fills.

 

[volk06]

Thanks guys, only took a few hours to do!

 

[Lead Shoes]

Wow that's nice, this should be made a sticky and updated regularly

 

[mechtech2]

Thanks for the time and effort. PYB always looks good!

 

[ltslimjim]

Awesome layout. I like the direction this could go.

 

[volk06]

There so much more I can/have done but can't upload it. It makes for some very interesting charts! Just need all the rest of the castrol, pennzoil, quaker state, and mobili VOA but theres a lot of oils right there to get tested

 

[Hokiefyd]

Will add packs be relatively consistent across the most popular grades? For example, can I assume that PYB in 5W-20 will have about the same add pack as PYB in 5W-30?