9mm SXT/Ranger T-Series Ammo

[Astro14]

Originally Posted by 2015_PSD
Originally Posted by Astro14
That's ridiculous. I've still got several hundred rounds of Federal HST in my stash from a case I bought last year. www.sgammo.com For example, it was $460/ case of 1,000 for HST in .45 ACP. 9mm was slightly more. No "qualification" necessary.
Note this is not a BFGC restriction this is a Vista Outdoors (parent company of Federal, CCI, Speer, etc.) restriction they placed on certain types/quantities of ammunition. I do not have any details as to why they (Vista) started restricting to LE, but they did at the end of 2018. So with all things firearm related, it will all depend on the "climate" in the coming year or so as to whether or not this becomes common place.


First I've heard of it.

When selecting a carry/SD ammo for our 9mm pistols, including my wife's Walther CCP*, I bought 1,000 rounds of Federal HST 124g.

Any SD ammo we bought had to; 1. work in every pistol and 2. be tested in every pistol.

I wasn't interested in buying different ammo for different pistols in the same caliber. So, I bought in bulk. Ran 100+ rounds through each (Glock, Walther, S&W, Berreta). Still have more than half of that case left. When I get low, I plan to buy another case of Federal HST 124g 9mm. No need to retest the ammo/magazine/pistol combination.

Right now, looking at the SG Ammo website, I don't see any restrictions listed for that ammo.

Perhaps, later this year, I'll order up another case just to see what's up with this "restriction".

I also bought a case (1,000) of Speer Gold Dot 230g in .45 ACP (I was in error in my post above, went back and checked what I had bought) and a case of Federal HST 165g in .40S&W last year. Same logic as above.


*That little pistol is awesome. Very ergonomic grip. 8+1 capacity. Low recoil. Very low for its size. But that's because of the gas blowback system that Walther calls "Softcoil". +P ammo can cause it to have problems with cycling as the gas pressure in the recoil cylinder is too high and that delays slide travel too much. So, regular 9mm, not +P, it is because of that pistol's unique requirements.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted by Astro14
When selecting a carry/SD ammo for our 9mm pistols, including my wife's Walther CCP*, I bought 1,000 rounds of Federal HST 124g.
Federal HST is what I selected for my EDC ammunition in all of my pistols. Feeds like clockwork in my Glocks, S&W's, and HK's and is very accurate.

 

[JasonC]

There is a lot of fertilizer in this thread. Bottom line, pick an ammo that feeds well in your gun, that you shoot well and rock on. Every bullet design has dropped more than it's fair share of bad guys, and it's shot placement that's more important than bullet design.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted by JasonC
There is a lot of fertilizer in this thread. Bottom line, pick an ammo that feeds well in your gun, that you shoot well and rock on. Every bullet design has dropped more than it's fair share of bad guys, and it's shot placement that's more important than bullet design.

Let us have some fun man.

But yeah. Subtle bullet performance differences are way down on the list of things to worry about when trying to win gunfights.

1. Recognize a gunfight is coming.
2. Get into the fight.
3. Put rounds on target.
...
352. Subtle bullet performance differences.

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Some say that the public can't purchase ammo from Sportsman Outdoor Superstore. Well, I have purchased Ranger T-Series ammo from there (.40 cal. 180 gr.). Their shipping is only $7.99.
Another great ammo site is https://www.lawmens.com/
Their shipping is $5.00 flat rate.
Does anyone know what the C represents in the RA9SXTC title?

 

[BlueOvalFitter]

Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Does anyone know what the C represents in the RA9SXTC title?

The "C" stands for CANADA. This ammo was made for the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police).

 

[billt460]

Originally Posted by Astro14
When selecting a carry/SD ammo for our 9mm pistols, including my wife's Walther CCP*, I bought 1,000 rounds of Federal HST 124g. Any SD ammo we bought had to; 1. work in every pistol and 2. be tested in every pistol.

I wasn't interested in buying different ammo for different pistols in the same caliber. So, I bought in bulk. Ran 100+ rounds through each (Glock, Walther, S&W, Berreta). Still have more than half of that case left. When I get low, I plan to buy another case of Federal HST 124g 9mm. No need to retest the ammo/magazine/pistol combination.

I do much the same when selecting self defense ammunition. I only introduce one extra step. I segregate all of my magazines that successfully ran said ammunition without a hitch to that weapon, and that weapon only. Perhaps that isn't necessary. And one could argue it's being overly anal. But it does remove another variable. And in a magazine fed, self defense, semi auto pistol, I try to keep any and all variables to a minimum.

 

[MGF1964]

There are no magic bullets. There is no Thor's hammer. Shot placement is far more important.
IMO, pick a round that (1) runs well through your gun and prints satisfactorily, (2) tests relatively well in scientifically executed tests (controlled, variables same/accounted for, repeated & repeatable, etc) and (3) has no more recoil than necessary so you're follow-up shots are well placed in decent times.
In other words, get a decently designed & manufactured, well-feeding and readily available round and give more thought, time and money to the quantity and quality of your training time.
For me, out of the 9mm I carry most often, the standard-velocity 9mm Federal HST makes good sense. There are other good rounds I'd grab (and that I've previously shot) if a given store or supplier was out of my first choice. Those would include the Hornady Critical Defense, the Gold Dot, etc.
I make different choices for my .38 Special and .380 carry guns. I base all of those choices more on study of well-controlled tests from the appropriate barrel length and how they actually run/print in my guns than I do on anecdotal evidence or booyah statements (hype).
Rotate out your (relatively) expensive carry ammo by making it your training ammo on the occasional training trip. Carry a gun/ammo combo that you can shoot well with; hone the skills.
Obsessing over a given cartridge or expecting it be a magical game changer in and of itself is silly.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

Originally Posted by MGF1964
There are no magic bullets. There is no Thor's hammer. Shot placement is far more important.
IMO, pick a round that (1) runs well through your gun and prints satisfactorily, (2) tests relatively well in scientifically executed tests (controlled, variables same/accounted for, repeated & repeatable, etc) and (3) has no more recoil than necessary so you're follow-up shots are well placed in decent times.
In other words, get a decently designed & manufactured, well-feeding and readily available round and give more thought, time and money to the quantity and quality of your training time.
For me, out of the 9mm I carry most often, the standard-velocity 9mm Federal HST makes good sense. There are other good rounds I'd grab (and that I've previously shot) if a given store or supplier was out of my first choice. Those would include the Hornady Critical Defense, the Gold Dot, etc.
I make different choices for my .38 Special and .380 carry guns. I base all of those choices more on study of well-controlled tests from the appropriate barrel length and how they actually run/print in my guns than I do on anecdotal evidence or booyah statements (hype).
Rotate out your (relatively) expensive carry ammo by making it your training ammo on the occasional training trip. Carry a gun/ammo combo that you can shoot well with; hone the skills.
Obsessing over a given cartridge or expecting it be a magical game changer in and of itself is silly.



Because shot placement is 90% of the game!

 

[MGF1964]

"Why Ballistics Gel Works and Caliber Arguments are Dumb"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6k...6nodfC8a2PToAmrurRCreQYL8pU4d0zXbV9EDSF4