99 VW/Audi 2.0L gas 4 cylinder M1/LubeControl 9600 miles

[Terry]

Yes this is the 2.0L VW/Audi New Bug engine that was run about 18 miles or so with no (0) coolant. Yes, started and stopped between stores and mall until daughter realized something smelled HOT while idling at gas station.

Engine is a remanufactored VW/Audi from Canada.

Total miles on engine is estimated at 15,000.

M1 10w-30 /LC 2 ounces per qt then 1 to 3 ounces every 1000 miles.

Wix oil filter used for 9602 mile interval.

In use for 7 months. Used 3/4 of qt of oil.

initial oil sample with Valvoline durablend 5w-30 for 5000 miles on left.


V 5w-30 / M1 10w-30 Lube Control

al 3 / 6
ca 1436/2922
cr 1/1
cu 14/21
fe 16/30
pb 7/13
mg 7/23
mo 6/76
p 675/842
k 1/2
si 16/15
na 9/9
sn 3/8
zn 748/1046

soot none/none FP and LC work well

oxi 16/65

nit 54/113

sulfur 0/ 79

water N/N
coolant N/N
fuel N/N

V100 9.6/9.7 solid SAE 30w

TBN 4/ 1.5

M1 and Lube Control saved the bearings that we see above leaching no higher than low double digits. Interesting that the oil was toasted and that nitration and oxidation are no higher than these engines display without LC/FP compared to a similar interval.

 

[radiometer]

Terry, Excellent!! Thanks for sharing that with us.

 

[buster]

I'd expect the little Dyson's to be runnng Redline.

Must have been a scary moment....18 miles with no coolant could have ruined that engine. LC really helps out. A local Amsoil Direct Jobber or whatever they call them told me one of those "funny"

Amsoil stories. He said an 18-Wheeler out in Death Valley California ran 450 miles with NO coolant in it but the engine survived because the Amsoil kept the engine cool.

Funny thing is, I think he believed it.

[ March 25, 2004, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: buster ]

 

[Terry]

Z what Jason said

......Really I say it that way because it is a subjective level of recharge for the oxidation eating effect using LC.

I tell my customers to add the recharge level based the look,feel, of the oil in the dipstick.

Thus the range and not a specific level.

Buster, LC add has a capability to reduce friction and it has a polar capability. Odis says it seeks heat but actually according to our Chemist it displaces heat.
What I know is that from oil analysis results when added to cheap oils it really stabilizes them and when added to high quality syns for long drains it stabilizes oxidation too.

Note that this coolant now has a few ounces of LC working in it too. I'll let you all know how that does longer term.

BTW we changed out the air filter for a pinched seal to drop the Si and related wear.

Terry

[ March 26, 2004, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Terry ]

 

[Last_Z]

Terry,
I have chosen you as today's daily victim.

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M1 10w-30 /LC 2 ounces per qt then 1 to 3 ounces every 1000 miles.

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On the follow up treat of LC, which is it; 1 OR 3 ounces?? How about 2 ounces?
For some reason, I find this funny......then again, I'm not the smartest or brightest of the bunch.

 

[jason07-1zzfe]

Z: you can vary the treat rate BETWEEN 1 to 3oz for each 1k application.
Unless you want him to list 1oz at 1k, 2oz at 2k, 1oz at 3k, 1oz at 4k, 2oz at 5k, 3oz at 6k, 2oz at 7k, 1oz at 8k, 3oz at 9k....

 

[dropitby]

If I am heaing you right Lube Control additive improves all oils but your not sure if it may intefere with some of the other qualities of the oil or additive package.The people at NAPA said the same thing about Lucas it makes your oil better but at what cost these are the answers we want.

 

[Terry]

Thus far we see NO conflict or advers effect with any known oil formulation or add.

This engine is now running GC 0w-30 with LC and is operating perfectly, coolant in also normal with LC addition.

There is not a oil add on the market that uses the lubricious high flash anti oxidant solvency of Odis Beavers Lube Control.


This stuff is unique like Auto-RX.

[ May 13, 2004, 09:02 AM: Message edited by: Terry ]

 

[dropitby]

How about this stuff.

 

[Chris B.]

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Originally posted by dropitby:
How about this stuff.

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What?

 

[Terry]

GC 0w-30/ 25 ounces of LC in engine,LC used in coolant post overheat transition to walmart branded glycol.FP used intermittantly by daughter

total miles 95878 on car, engine 26,000 est.
oil miles 11,160
oil added 1.25 qts GC0w-30
oil filter M1-205

al 3
ca 2723
cr 0
cu 17
fe 12 significant drop
pb 23 earlier dirt ingress and post overheat bearing overlay residual trace,projected to drop in future analysis.
mg 117
mo 6
p 700
K 0 no coolant
si 6 STP air filter working nicely
na 4
sn 4 see pb
zn 866

soot/solids 10 LOW

oxi 33= 16.5% LOW

nit 104 = 52% normal to elevated for this engine, trend is positive from last 9600 mile run. Maybe daughter drives hard ????

sulfur 0 major drop in fuel sulfur, below threshold

water negative

coolant negative, this is really good news
considering what this engine has been through.

fuel negative

V100 13.3 thickened to SAE 40w, much like Amsoil in longer drains, LC needs to be bumped up on longer drains.

TBN 6.0 excellent retention

Contributory issues:
Car was wrecked and took a good force to the RH FWD side of body near engine. Car sat for 2 weeks during that in a very dusty body shop.]

Battery exploded and was partially contained by VW/AUDI battery wrap.

Aside from Pb all wear levels are lower and if Dad could see the car more often the vis would still be SAE 30w !

Suggestions from BITOG peanut gallery on continuing this oil ( with chemical/filter updates) or change out ?

Terry

 

[Terry]

No one is noticing that GC 0w-30 is OUT of grade in longer drain ?? Very Amsoil like....
Buster, Patman, someone....

 

[Bill]

I have noticed that GC appears to thicken in grade just like Amsoil in long OCI's...

 

[HEV]

Terry. See my long drain GC Lube Control Post Here. Vis stayed in check with GC LC combo. Granted, different engine and a nice, healthy 6 Q capacity...

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002140

[ December 09, 2004, 04:46 PM: Message edited by: HEV ]

 

[Patman]

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Originally posted by Terry:
No one is noticing that GC 0w-30 is OUT of grade in longer drain ?? Very Amsoil like....
Buster, Patman, someone....

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My Firebird used to thicken GC out of grade too remember. In one 6k run it went from 12.2 to 12.9 cst, and in a 3k run it went to 13.0. I'd much rather it go up by 1 cst than down though.

 

[Whimsey]

quote:

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Originally posted by Terry:
No one is noticing that GC 0w-30 is OUT of grade in longer drain ?? Very Amsoil like....
Buster, Patman, someone....

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I assumed you addressed this by saying that the LC usage needs to be increased or more closely monitored. Besides I think the 11,000+ miles you ran on the GC is probably on the high side of miles run on GC on this site. I'm not a martyr to GC so I didn't pay particular attention unless there is a glowing fault. I'm surprised you aren't running a Schaeffer Blend oil. They seem to hold their viscosity well over many miles, even without LC. My UOA proved that and I have even higher hopes for a further extended winter usage of Schaeffer's Blend with LC and FP

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Whimsey

 

[buster]

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No one is noticing that GC 0w-30 is OUT of grade in longer drain ?? Very Amsoil like....
Buster, Patman, someone....

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Terry , thanks for providing this.

Couple of questions:

GC seems to be extremely stable viscosity wise and I'm wondering why this time you think it thickend? I haven't seen it move at all out of grade up to 10,000 miles.

Also, why the Fe drop? M1 is known for higher Iron sometimes(Why?

) as Amsoil is known to thicken.(

) You've said before that at some point you have to watch Amsoil when it thickens bc that usually means wear metals will sky rocket. I havn't seen cases where Amsoil thickens and wear jumps up.

 

[Terry]

Bill, you da man!!

Pat I thought you'd be the first to catch it.

More LC and a fresh filter or change out. I can't decide.

The bearing issue is going to be a longer term issue because of the overheat. Will have to watch that closely. Note that it took a a second oil change to expose itself significantly. Not uncommon for many here that blame a oil for fuel or overheat then bearing overlay has to recover.

Whimsey, Actually 15w-40 7000 blend would be a great oil in this but I am out of it.

And I had many requests for a longer drain test with GC.

Buster, I can't answer that many questions all at once. I "think" Amsoil has oxidation issues internally. Add LC and that is stopped. GC does not. Especially with LC.

 

[buster]

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I have noticed that GC appears to thicken in grade just like Amsoil in long OCI's...

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Your always going to see some % change over a long drain. I don't think 1 or 2cSt is significant at all, especially over 10k miles. RL even does that. Plus, their are lab variances your dealing with. But I will say that Amsoil's oxidation is extreme and should be improved for what your paying IMO.

 

[Bio-T]

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Originally posted by Patman:

quote:

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Originally posted by Terry:
No one is noticing that GC 0w-30 is OUT of grade in longer drain ?? Very Amsoil like....
Buster, Patman, someone....

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My Firebird used to thicken GC out of grade too remember. In one 6k run it went from 12.2 to 12.9 cst, and in a 3k run it went to 13.0. I'd much rather it go up by 1 cst than down though.

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If an oil thickens it is no different than if it thins. It is out of grade. There is no rather have it thicken or have it thin, out of grade is just that. BUT, if an oil is out of grade and the wear metals and insoluables remain good, and the TBN is solid, it is not a real concern with being out of grade. I don't like 40 weight oil in anything except a diesel, so for me I don't mind thinning. I don't like it, but stuff happens. JMO