6.0 powerstroke for a forever truck

[hatt]

Originally Posted by FLORIDA
Originally Posted by ls1mike
What is your ultimate plan for the truck? Maybe I missed it.

How many miles a year will you be using it?


30k a year, 75%towing a 5ver. Traveling boilermaker, full time rver. I'm just tired of the new car payment, I want a used truck that with maintenence can do 500k to a million miles. An 05 or so cummins with a 6 speed is what I really want to find but I like the ford's too, just trying to see if there is any worth investing in besides the 7.3.

Bulletproofing the engine doesn't sound like a big expense if you're planning on driving that much.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted by FLORIDA
Originally Posted by ls1mike
What is your ultimate plan for the truck? Maybe I missed it.

How many miles a year will you be using it?


30k a year, 75%towing a 5ver. Traveling boilermaker, full time rver. I'm just tired of the new car payment, I want a used truck that with maintenence can do 500k to a million miles. An 05 or so cummins with a 6 speed is what I really want to find but I like the ford's too, just trying to see if there is any worth investing in besides the 7.3.

You probably need a diesel if you are full timing with a 5ver. Can't get away with something like my truck.

At the price point and age range you are looking at I wouldn't skip looking at the Dodge, Ford or GM. I would think by now most the problem area would have been address. Maybe you can find one with records. What is your price range?

 

[FLORIDA]

Originally Posted by ls1mike
Originally Posted by FLORIDA
Originally Posted by ls1mike
What is your ultimate plan for the truck? Maybe I missed it.

How many miles a year will you be using it?


30k a year, 75%towing a 5ver. Traveling boilermaker, full time rver. I'm just tired of the new car payment, I want a used truck that with maintenence can do 500k to a million miles. An 05 or so cummins with a 6 speed is what I really want to find but I like the ford's too, just trying to see if there is any worth investing in besides the 7.3.

You probably need a diesel if you are full timing with a 5ver. Can't get away with something like my truck.

At the price point and age range you are looking at I wouldn't skip looking at the Dodge, Ford or GM. I would think by now most the problem area would have been address. Maybe you can find one with records. What is your price range?


Around 15k so I can pay it off quick. The ultimate goal is no vehicle payment and more money saved for inevitable 15 year old diesel maintenence.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted by FLORIDA
Originally Posted by ls1mike
What is your ultimate plan for the truck? Maybe I missed it.

How many miles a year will you be using it?


30k a year, 75%towing a 5ver. Traveling boilermaker, full time rver. I'm just tired of the new car payment, I want a used truck that with maintenence can do 500k to a million miles. An 05 or so cummins with a 6 speed is what I really want to find but I like the ford's too, just trying to see if there is any worth investing in besides the 7.3.


The weight of a 5th wheel trailer can vary dramatically. How much will the 5th wheel you plan to tow weigh when fully loaded? Mine weighs enough that only two brands (RAM, Ford) made recent vintage pickups that were rated to tow it. Make sure you buy enough truck to handle the weight. Sure, people tow overloaded, but that's hard on the truck (wallet), and the ability to control the load could be a concern too.

 

[BrianF]

I think the 6.0 with some aftermarket upgrades would be a great idea. Sure you have some upfront costs to bullet proof it but it would be far less than the cost of a new diesel truck. I drove a few 6.0's here and there as did some friends and they are decent. The transmission and chassis are quite solid too.

 

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by CKN
You can't "bullet proof" a 6.0 for $4,000.00.

One should run far away....very fast from those motors, unless you want to spend big dollars making them right before you head down the road.....


If you do the work yourself, Probably closer to $5,000 in parts......Assuming the Injectors, HPOP, ICP, & IPR are in good shape.

Oil Cooler relocate.
EGR Cooler delete.
ARP studs & OE head gaskets.
Injector re-seal kit.
Billet water pump.
Upgraded FICM power supply.
New SCT fitting, Stand Pipes, Dummy Plugs.
Thermostat.
Tuning Software for the EGR delete.

There are cheaper routes, Like.......Replacing the oil cooler with a Ford part, Flushing the cooling system REALLY well & keep a close eye on the Coolant-Oil temperature delta. Deleting the EGR Cooler will take some of the thermal load off the cooling system.

Blocking the EGR helped lower coolant temps on my Duramax at max GCWR!


And remember: in many places, doing the "deletes" means you can no longer actually register the truck!


The truck will still pass a "Smoke Opacity" with a EGR cooler delete, You really have to know what to look for to notice the EGR cooler missing. Just leave the EGR valve itself intact & plugged-in as it's the only part of the EGR systems that's visible.

 

[diyjake]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by CKN
You can't "bullet proof" a 6.0 for $4,000.00.

One should run far away....very fast from those motors, unless you want to spend big dollars making them right before you head down the road.....


If you do the work yourself, Probably closer to $5,000 in parts......Assuming the Injectors, HPOP, ICP, & IPR are in good shape.

Oil Cooler relocate.
EGR Cooler delete.
ARP studs & OE head gaskets.
Injector re-seal kit.
Billet water pump.
Upgraded FICM power supply.
New SCT fitting, Stand Pipes, Dummy Plugs.
Thermostat.
Tuning Software for the EGR delete.

There are cheaper routes, Like.......Replacing the oil cooler with a Ford part, Flushing the cooling system REALLY well & keep a close eye on the Coolant-Oil temperature delta. Deleting the EGR Cooler will take some of the thermal load off the cooling system.

Blocking the EGR helped lower coolant temps on my Duramax at max GCWR!


I totally agree, there is no way you will get a quality bulletproof job for $3000-$4000.

 

[DriveHard]

A friend of mine has what I believe is a 2008 Dodge 2500 with a Cummins that has had all emissions related stuff removed (properly). I think it is in the low 100K mile range...last I heard he was looking to sell it for about what your budget is. Interior is still really nice, and overall its in GREAT shape...just a little rust above the rear wheels.

 

[DriveHard]

Yup, just checked with him...
2008 Dodge 2500 155K miles, 6.7L Cummins...all emissions stuff properly removed...and I see Florida doesn't have testing. It is his daily driver on a 25 mile commute...an engineer who live int eh city and thought he needed a truck. Never been beat on.

Pm me if interested, he is game to sell, and I will send you his email. He mentioned asking $17,500...but I am sure you guys could come to an agreement.

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

And remember: in many places, doing the "deletes" means you can no longer actually register the truck!


i feel sorry for people in those areas.....

but, it was THEIR choice to live there.

Adapt and overcome.

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted by CKN
You can't "bullet proof" a 6.0 for $4,000.00.

One should run far away....very fast from those motors, unless you want to spend big dollars making them right before you head down the road.....




This.

I also wouldn't DIY this job to save a few bucks.

Done right with quality parts, a bullet proofed 6.0 can be a reliable engine. Done with shoddy work and parts, it can be a long expensive nightmare. Since the OP is from Florida, not a bad idea at all. My friend did the bullet proof to his 2004 F350, and while the truck has been running flawless since, he is having a heck of a time keeping the body from rusting.

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

And remember: in many places, doing the "deletes" means you can no longer actually register the truck!


i feel sorry for people in those areas.....

but, it was THEIR choice to live there.

Adapt and overcome.


Removing emissions controls and equipment is actually against Federal laws, it's just easier to get away with in some states than others since they don't check emissions. Regardless, if you get stopped by the wrong person in ANY state you can have your truck impounded, fines, etc.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

And remember: in many places, doing the "deletes" means you can no longer actually register the truck!


i feel sorry for people in those areas.....

but, it was THEIR choice to live there.

Adapt and overcome.

Or, you know...don't remove emission controls.

Maybe it really is time to adopt California-style emission testing for all vehicles.

 

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

And remember: in many places, doing the "deletes" means you can no longer actually register the truck!


i feel sorry for people in those areas.....

but, it was THEIR choice to live there.

Adapt and overcome.


Removing emissions controls and equipment is actually against Federal laws, it's just easier to get away with in some states than others since they don't check emissions. Regardless, if you get stopped by the wrong person in ANY state you can have your truck impounded, fines, etc.



Whom......The Federal 6.0L EGR Cooler Enforcement Taskforce?

Would they even know what a EGR Cooler looks like & where it's located?
What would prompt a "stop" if the truck isn't emitting a excessive amount of smoke?....Which the EGR system has nothing to do with!

Seems folks on here like to get sideways about Diesel emissions, But it's OK to delete/defeat/fool Gasoline engine emissions devices?

 

[clinebarger]

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

Or, you know...don't remove emission controls.

Maybe it really is time to adopt California-style emission testing for all vehicles.


And your modified Cadillac has all it's emission devices intact?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

Or, you know...don't remove emission controls.

Maybe it really is time to adopt California-style emission testing for all vehicles.


And your modified Cadillac has all it's emission devices intact?


Yes, and it passes the IM-240 roller test easily.

 

[exranger06]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

And remember: in many places, doing the "deletes" means you can no longer actually register the truck!


i feel sorry for people in those areas.....

but, it was THEIR choice to live there.

Adapt and overcome.


Removing emissions controls and equipment is actually against Federal laws, it's just easier to get away with in some states than others since they don't check emissions. Regardless, if you get stopped by the wrong person in ANY state you can have your truck impounded, fines, etc.



Whom......The Federal 6.0L EGR Cooler Enforcement Taskforce?

Would they even know what a EGR Cooler looks like & where it's located?
What would prompt a "stop" if the truck isn't emitting a excessive amount of smoke?....Which the EGR system has nothing to do with!

Seems folks on here like to get sideways about Diesel emissions, But it's OK to delete/defeat/fool Gasoline engine emissions devices?



I agree that in areas where there is no emissions testing, it's almost impossible to get caught for removing/disabling emissions devices. However, that doesn't mean it's not illegal. Jeepman is right; it IS technically illegal in all 50 states. And I don't condone removing emissions equipment on diesel OR gas engines.

 

[ls1mike]

All the other stuff aside. I am always looking at trucks. 15,000 is getting you a high mileage truck.
Stuff like brakes, wheel bearings, rear-ends, transfer cases and transmissions all have to be considered a that point.
If you are pretty mechanically inclined you would probably be ok.

If you are towing heavy and using it 30,000 miles a year, I would look at a way to up your budge a little.
15,000 bucks doesn't get you much truck here in the greater Seattle area. Not sure about your area.

How heavy are you towing? Would you be OK with a gasser?

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted by clinebarger
Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by Jarlaxle

And remember: in many places, doing the "deletes" means you can no longer actually register the truck!


i feel sorry for people in those areas.....

but, it was THEIR choice to live there.

Adapt and overcome.


Removing emissions controls and equipment is actually against Federal laws, it's just easier to get away with in some states than others since they don't check emissions. Regardless, if you get stopped by the wrong person in ANY state you can have your truck impounded, fines, etc.



Whom......The Federal 6.0L EGR Cooler Enforcement Taskforce?

Would they even know what a EGR Cooler looks like & where it's located?
What would prompt a "stop" if the truck isn't emitting a excessive amount of smoke?....Which the EGR system has nothing to do with!

Seems folks on here like to get sideways about Diesel emissions, But it's OK to delete/defeat/fool Gasoline engine emissions devices?




Who said removing gasoline emissions equipment is okay? You are missing the point. It isn't usually a "taskforce" of people looking under trucks at stop lights. It's mostly repair shops, many of them will not work on vehicles that are deleted, and don't want to be liable. I know many used car places that will not even take vehicles in trade that have been deleted, because they know how expensive the systems are to replace to make the truck legal, which is what they have to do to sell them. EGR coolers are small in comparison to DPFs, SCR systems, etc, so an EGR wouldn't be that noticeable. Most of the guys who do emissions deletes on their truck also do other mods to blow smoke and attract attention like muffler deletes and offroad tunes.

Is it likely you will be stopped? Probably not, but it only takes one person having a bad day to report you. I know in CT they impound your truck and you pay fines, in addition to having to replace the missing emissions components and having the truck inspected before it can be back on the road.

 

[clinebarger]

The Taskforce thing was intended to be humorous.

So.....Repair shops report owners of "Non-Compliant" vehicles? Instead of making money repairing the vehicle & making the customer happy? Wouldn't surprise me a bit.....Just, [censored]...Really?