Using Penzoil Plat Euro LX 0W-30 in my out of warranty 1.8L 2ZR-FE. She loves it.
My Toyota is allergic to 30.Using Penzoil Plat Euro LX 0W-30 in my out of warranty 1.8L 2ZR-FE. She loves it.
I would disagree on the sole basis that he could be using some bargin dollar store BS 5w30 which will in fact harm the engine over time. A 0w20 on that basis alone is a better quality oil.
Let's be real though the fear mongering goes both ways.
"xW20 will ruin your engine slowly, it's too thin, it's only for CAFE."
"Using a non-approved oil will ruin your engine and cause warranty issues, it was designed this way, don't mess with OEM requirements."
At the end of the day, it's probably a wash which nothing but conjecture either way. Just like everyone's opinion on interior or exterior looks.
If there was an internal engine related problem, they will ask for oil change records at the minimum. If it shows you didn't use the recommended oil and they want to be hard nosed about it, I can see them denying warranty coverage.
delete.My Toyota is allergic to 30.
There is plenty of sub par oil out there to fool folks who know nothing about cars.If a bad bs “ dollar store brand “ 5w30 jacked up a motor under warranty… What if that same dollar store sold Welfare 0w20 ??
It would do the SAME exact thing…
Come on… 0w20 can be no good either …
If it’s made by an illegitimate oil blender.
And for the record… In the last 5 years I have never seen a PQIA bad oil in a dollar store.
Dollar General did have trouble back beyond that time frame. Fair enough.
Gas stations.. Yeah I have seen some of those extremely bad oils in a few of those. One in Hopewell Va, one store in Wakefield Va, and one just 2 miles west of me in James City county.
2020 Toyota Camry. Dumped the 0w16 at 500 miles filled with ESP 0w30 change at 5,000 miles. Car has 90,000 miles. The owners manual for outside of USA states you can use 0w16 to 15w40. Says 0w16 is for fuel economy only.Newer Toyota's that specify 0W-16 have an electric oil pump designed to maintain lubrication with a low viscosity oil as stated in a BITOG post.
There is plenty of sub par oil out there to fool folks who know nothing about cars.
Fun fact there is no 0w20 Welfare brand probably because they know that is an obvious red flag. There are however some questionable 5w20's and plenty of 5w30 that yes exist in dollar stores/minimarts/gas stations in more unfortunate areas of the country.
https://pqia.org/passenger-car-motor-oil/
Going to AutoZone and paying $5 for a qt. of decent conventional vs. $2 oil whatever is a big deal for some people.
100%. Rest of World manual oil charts are written by Toyota Engineers. US manual oil charts are written by CAFE. It really is that simple.2020 Toyota Camry. Dumped the 0w16 at 500 miles filled with ESP 0w30 change at 5,000 miles. Car has 90,000 miles. The owners manual for outside of USA states you can use 0w16 to 15w40. Says 0w16 is for fuel economy only.
Then why are thinner oils spec'd for the US CAFE market than in the owner's manuals for those same engines in non-CAFE markets for overlapping temperature ranges?After all these years I'm still surprised that long term members here are still trying to say that thinner oils are just for CAFE reasons only and that you need thicker oils to get long engine life. That's nonsense! Have you guys not learned anything here? First of all, we've seen a trend towards thinner oils for many decades now, but yet are you seeing engines dying early? No. The key is that the thinner oils are using a different anti wear package (more moly and more boron typically) in order to make up for that lower viscosity, so they can still protect your engine just as well as the thicker oils. There are way too many people here that think they know better than the engineers that designed these engines. And I know what they'll say to try to counter that, they'll say that car manufacturers only want engines to last just beyond the warranty period and nothing more, so the thinner oils are just enough to get there. That's also wrong. What manufacturer would actually want their engines to just barely make it that far? They are not likely to get repeat customers if that were to occur. Why do you think Toyota and Honda have so many repeat customers for instance? Because their engines last, and guess what? They are the ones that have been using thinner oils a lot more than other manufacturers. And it hasn't hurt their longevity one bit.
asking out of genuine curiosity here, would the use of heavier oils cause permanent damage though?After all these years I'm still surprised that long term members here are still trying to say that thinner oils are just for CAFE reasons only and that you need thicker oils to get long engine life. That's nonsense! Have you guys not learned anything here? First of all, we've seen a trend towards thinner oils for many decades now, but yet are you seeing engines dying early? No. The key is that the thinner oils are using a different anti wear package (more moly and more boron typically) in order to make up for that lower viscosity, so they can still protect your engine just as well as the thicker oils. There are way too many people here that think they know better than the engineers that designed these engines. And I know what they'll say to try to counter that, they'll say that car manufacturers only want engines to last just beyond the warranty period and nothing more, so the thinner oils are just enough to get there. That's also wrong. What manufacturer would actually want their engines to just barely make it that far? They are not likely to get repeat customers if that were to occur. Why do you think Toyota and Honda have so many repeat customers for instance? Because their engines last, and guess what? They are the ones that have been using thinner oils a lot more than other manufacturers. And it hasn't hurt their longevity one bit.
My friend, if you believe everything you read on BITOG, then I've got some bad news for you......Apparently, I should have verified what I found in a BITOG post. Well then, do the engines that specify 0W-16 have pressure control valves operated via ECM?
I personally (and I think I speak for the other "thickies" here when I say this too) place a slightly higher film thickness above the borderline unmeasureable gain in fuel efficiency. I understand what you're saying about anti-wear additives making up the difference, and I used to feel that same way. But it's like, why even have to lean on an anti-wear pack when I can increase MOFT, which is the primary driver of what keeps metal on metal contact from occurring in the first place?I can't answer as to why other countries haven't accepted the thinner oils, but that fact doesn't negate what we're seeing over here. And that's that engines are simply not dying prematurely due to these oils.