.45 vs .357

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I'm wanting to get a handgun, leaning towards a revolver as they feel more comfortable to me and they have less moving parts, etc. Simpler is better.

But I'm totally attracted to the idea of having a 1911 Colt Style .45.

I'm thinking one of those or a Ruger SP101/GP100 gun. Mainly for target practice and (God forbid) home defense. I do not have a CCW license (yet). This will be my first firearm.

Suggestions?
 
A .357 revolver will generally have less recoil than a .45 revolver. If you plan to do a lot of target shooting, I can see your wrist getting sore faster with the .45.
 
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Originally Posted By: dparm
A .357 revolver will generally have less recoil than a .45 revolver. If you plan to do a lot of target shooting, I can see your wrist getting sore faster with the .45.


Possibly, but a .45 generally has very manageable recoil, particularly in a 5" steel gun. It is more of a roll than snap.

I often shoot several hundred rounds an outing with out sore wrist.
 
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I prefer a revolver for a carry gun. Simple and if there is a misfire, just pull the trigger again and a new round comes up. No springs to go bad from long term compression.
However, a GP100 is a heck of a large gun for concelaed carry. Try a S&W or a Taurus CIA .357 hammerless. These are small 5 shot revolvers with no external hammer to get snagged. Ruger also makes polymer framed revolvers in .38 and.357 that are easy to carry and conceal. Go to a gun shop and talk it over with them. Handle a few and if you can, shoot a few. For many, a .38 is better as the recoil is less. And remeber, you can shoot .38 rounds out of a .357 but not the other way around.
 
If you have a range that rents guns nearby I would give them a try. Try out as many different firearms as you can so that you can get a good feel for what best suits you.

I disagree with DPARM. At least with my guns(1911, S&W mod 19 4") my .357 recoils way harder. But then again I load my own rounds, and load them all hot.

If you don't plan on practicing a great deal I would suggest a revolver, simple, reliable and no safety to muck things up in the heat of battle. Good luck...
 
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Either will work. But they are fundamentally different firearms.

357 is fired from a revolver, so long heavy trigger pull is the norm, unless if cock the hammer, in which case it will have an easier to pull trigger similar to the 1911 (haven't used one, so I can't comment as to how easy). No safety on the revolver. May fire pipsqueek rounds, such as 148grn wadcutters, and up to whatever the frame (or your hand) is rated for. Reloading the cylinder is easy and/or time consuming: easy to drop rounds in, and eject out (unless if it's a snub with a short ejector rod), but longer than a magazine. Easy to reload ammunition for, as the brass can be dumped from the gun into a bucket (no digging around in the grass).

357Mag can have brutal recoil in a lightweight firearm, but so can 45acp. The boom of the 357 can be very loud, even in long barrels. A revolver has the gap between barrel and cylinder, and you have to be careful to keep fingers from that area, due to the expulsion of hot gasses. A revolver does not have to deal with a stiff slide that has to be racked in order to chamber a round.

The 1911 is single action, at least classically (probably some double action out there). I do believe 1911's are easier to take down for cleaning than a revolver, but I haven't taken one apart. Lots of accessories, so you can modify to suit your tastes. But it will be more sensitive to ammunition power levels, due to the need to cycle the action. And you do have to keep your hands clear of the slide, lest you get slide bite. A classic 1911 is carried "locked and cocked" (or at least by some), and that brings into play the safety that needs to be used, along with a higher need for a holster that covers the trigger (not that the revolver doesn't need that, it just needs it, err, slightly less).

Some 1911's can have feeding issues, due to the feed ramp; I'd think that was mostly solved by now. Magazines can also come into play, if the mag isn't right, it won't operate. Revolvers can and do fail, if crud gets under the ejector it won't rotate, or if a bullet fails to leave the cylinder it can lock, just as if the bullet from other chambers pull out under recoil.

45acp is a larger round, so it makes bigger holes, and it can be a bit less loud on the blast. Magazine capacity is also usually higher than the typical 5-6 rounds of 357Mag (686's can go up to 8?).

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Revolvers IMO are cool, but I'm not sure if they have less parts. Maybe moving parts, but I think they tend to have non-moving parts that are just as critical. Feed ramps on the barrel and magazine lips come to mind. But otherwise, yeah, my gut feeling is that they are simpler, and, while harder to shoot they are hardly a bad decision for CCW/home protection. Much harder to have a negligent discharge, due to the heavy trigger.

In terms of a range toy, hmmm, if you ask me a revolver is more of a range toy. When you can shoot a revolver well, odds are you can shoot an automatic well too, as it takes a decent amount of discipline to pull that long heavy trigger properly. Just my opinion.

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I have the SP101, and I don't care for shooting magnums in it. The recoil isn't bad, but the noise is. I much prefer 38spl +P in it. The GP100, I have not shot but it struck me as a very large gun. Much better for shooting magnums from, but at the size of it I'd rather have a rifle. Or a higher capacity automatic.

The LCR, in 357Mag, is a decent carry gun; a bit heavy but that helps with recoil. The trigger is much better than the SP101; on my SP101 I put in a slightly softer hammer spring and while the two triggers are now more similar the LCR is just a nicer gun. On the trigger, that is--the recoil is markedly more.

But the LCR drops into a pocket (with a pocket holster, of course) while the SP101 is too heavy and large for that. Neither strike me as much of a range gun--no long range shooting for me on either of them.

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Both calibers have a long history, and are easy to reload ammunition for. And have widespread availability. Well, outside of times of hoarding, that is. I'm not sure you can go wrong with either, as about half of America owns one or the other, and the other half owns both.
 
For home defense get a shotgun, no one is going to ban those. Before buying, go to the range, shoot what fits your hand and is comfortable,then go to a class, I have seen with my own eyes new owners shoot themselves, dont get in a rush, take your time before buying,
 
The 1911 is IMHO the best fighting pistol ever made, but it is not the simplest gun on the market to maintain or use properly. Probably not the best gun for a beginner.

I would go with a revolver at first and get used to the Manual of Arms and safety procedures with it. A .22LR would be a good choice as ammo is cheaper which makes it easier to practice with.

Move up to automatics after being more familiar with firearms in general.
 
Well you can shoot .38 in the revolver and that's not so expensive. 9mm is cheapest for home defense IIRC but I don't know if that comes in a revolver.
 
Originally Posted By: BMWTurboDzl
Well you can shoot .38 in the revolver and that's not so expensive. 9mm is cheapest for home defense IIRC but I don't know if that comes in a revolver.


Taurus and Ruger have made 9mm wheelguns.

Try a few out and see what feels natural. For me, a 1911 in 38 super is one of the sweetest shooting guns made.
 
Originally Posted By: supton

I have the SP101, and I don't care for shooting magnums in it. The recoil isn't bad, but the noise is. I much prefer 38spl +P in it. The GP100, I have not shot but it struck me as a very large gun. Much better for shooting magnums from, but at the size of it I'd rather have a rifle. Or a higher capacity automatic.

The LCR, in 357Mag, is a decent carry gun; a bit heavy but that helps with recoil. The trigger is much better than the SP101; on my SP101 I put in a slightly softer hammer spring and while the two triggers are now more similar the LCR is just a nicer gun. On the trigger, that is--the recoil is markedly more.

But the LCR drops into a pocket (with a pocket holster, of course) while the SP101 is too heavy and large for that. Neither strike me as much of a range gun--no long range shooting for me on either of them.

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Both calibers have a long history, and are easy to reload ammunition for. And have widespread availability. Well, outside of times of hoarding, that is. I'm not sure you can go wrong with either, as about half of America owns one or the other, and the other half owns both.


You mentioned the .357 LCR. I was seriously considering the LCR because it feels so GOOD ON THE HANDS and fits my hands like a glove. Plus the trigger pull is easy. I fear the recoil of the .357 variety though and am afraid the small frame of the LCR would make for innacuracies/heavy recoils. I'd buy the .38 variant of it but I feel if I'm going to drop 4-5 bills on a revolver I might as well get something that shoots the more powerful .357s as well. The whole reason I was looking at the SP101 is because I like the looks (doh! sexy!) and I figure it would have much less recoil problems with a .357 load. But perhaps I'm wrong. I don't mind the SP101, it feels okay, maybe not quite as heavenly as the LCR to me. and yes the GP100 felt like a musket in my hand. A guy told me at the store it was the best revolver Ruger makes and I figured for only $70 more I might as well have the best. But it's not always that easy. I picked up a Taurus .38 Ultra Lite and I did not like how it felt. It felt cheap and not smooth at all like the Rugers. For the RIGHT price though I might consider one.

So now I'm reconsidering a .357 LCR. I was also checknig out some other handguns today and (off topic) I thought for $150 I could get a 9mm Hi-Point for fun as well, besides the revolver. To be honest the semi-autos scare me because I don't quite understand them and am afraid they'll randomly discharge if I cock teh slide wrong. It would be funt o shooot something with less expensive rounds (i.e. 9mm) when plinking. .38s are expensive around here! (we're talking $24 for 50 rounds vs $16 for 9mm).

So in your opinion, what would be the best .357 for my use, for the money, under $500 used? Leaning towards the LCR now, is this a solid choice?
 
I understand that recoil is also dependent on the gun's mass and the design, but in general the .45 will have more recoil.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
I understand that recoil is also dependent on the gun's mass and the design, but in general the .45 will have more recoil.


I disagree.
 
I own both. A S&W .357 Model 19 with a 4" barrel, and a number of Colt (and one Para Ordinance) .45s in both full size and Commander styles. I've shot both types extensively at the range.

I find the .45 recoil not significant, and the cartridge is conducive to rapid target reacquisition for follow-on shots. Recoil of the .357 is also light when firing .38 rounds at the range, but is significant with firing full up .357 rounds. Follow-on shots take a bit longer when shooting double action (less accurate) and a lot longer firing single action where you have to cock the hammer after each shot.

For target shooting (bulls-eye paper and tactical) and self-defense I prefer the .45. For hunting, I'd prefer the .357. It's hard to beat the .357 in a one shot one kill without time constraints senario, but the .45 really shines in personal defense. Many accurate shots off quickly with fast reload, plus if you do it right, the gun is never empty, keeping you from being "disarmed" while reloading.
 
The Ruger LCR is a great handgun, and would be a great choice for a first handgun if your primary objective is concealed carry/personal defense. The GP100 is an awesome hangun and would be a perfect choice for a first handgun if your primary objective is home defense/target practice. The SP101 is a very good revolver, and would be a good compromise between home defense/target practice and concealed carry/personal defense. If you can only own one, buy the SP101 (I think you can still get them with 3" barrels, which again, would be a good compromise.) However, if you plan to buy at least two revolvers, I'd recommend an LCR and a GP100.

I wouldn't recommend a 1911 for a first time gun owner.
 
Zerosoma,

The best advice I can give is "try before you buy". I too am a revolver guy. Gary's Gun Shop in Sioux Falls rents guns and has an indoor range. It is better to try several than purchase something and not like it.

It is very easy to get a CCW in South Dakota. Both my wife and I have ours. I would get on that pronto before things change. Go to your local sherrif's office. If you have no issues, you will leave with a temporary permit and have your permanent permit within about ten days. The cost is $10 for four years.
 
P.S., there is a gun show in Yankton this weekend. Do your research first and look for a good buy in a used revolver. I know, that's like looking for a unicorn.
 
Originally Posted By: goingpostal
Id suggest checking out a ruger p95 9mm with the decock lever. Good first gun, cheap and dependable.


Dad has a P89 that I tried. I did not like the bulk of it.
 
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