Yes to all of the above..lol
'24 Toyota GR86 vs '69 Camaro
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71 camaro, butt ugly cars after 69. Everyone then had to detune for emissions. Its strange all this crazy now performance is allowed, they sure wanted it gone in the early 70's. The GR86 looks nice, they just need a better engine, and less RTV in it. 
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Exactly. And the Toyota isn’t exactly a big car.
This chart...a 69 ZL1 running 13.2's? Must be on the F-70-14's it came with. Put slicks on it and free up the exhaust, and it was a 10 second car all day long.Yea, today's cars are safer, more comfortable, get better mpg's and maybe faster, but given the choice of a nice early Camaro or any Toyota, I'd take the Camaro.
Check this out, some guy money shifts his brand new GR Corolla and blows the engine. Trys for warranty and denied. Toyota wants $42k to fix the engine. Rebuild a SBC for a Camaro at home or buy a SBC for a tenth of that.
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Money-Shifting A Toyota GR Corolla Did $42,000 in Damage: Report
With less than 500 miles on the odometer, the new car owner's warranty claim was denied.
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I don’t think so. Here is an excerpt from a road test in the day.
Yea, today's cars are safer, more comfortable, get better mpg's and maybe faster, but given the choice of a nice early Camaro or any Toyota, I'd take the Camaro.
This. Doing 10’s in a 3500 lb car requires 700 hp. While a tuned ZL-1 had 500 hp, it didn’t have 700.
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What is the problem with this engine?The GR86 looks nice, they just need a better engine, and less RTV in it.
Week ill designed junk, no one in love with toyota wants to hear that they like everyone else manufacturing automotive engines nowadays, learned how not to do the job correctly. To save costs is number 1, to have them not last is number 2. If something lasts too long how can you make more $?Check this out, some guy money shifts his brand new GR Corolla and blows the engine. Trys for warranty and denied. Toyota wants $42k to fix the engine. Rebuild a SBC for a Camaro at home or buy a SBC for a tenth of that.
Money-Shifting A Toyota GR Corolla Did $42,000 in Damage: Report
With less than 500 miles on the odometer, the new car owner's warranty claim was denied.
I just ordered a Tesla M3P which is a 10 second car. So yeah, cars have come a long way.
...The reason it only ran in the 11's in that test is because they still couldn't get it to hook with the slicks they were using...Find the Hot Rod mag article.
Sorry. Their slicks were’t good enough? You need at lot more than 500 HP to get into a 10 sec ET. Tell you what. You bring out a ZL1 road test, using the slicks you think are appropriate, and show us a 10 sec ET.
When set up for drag racing, they ran that test with 6 1/2" slicks. They had a lot more than 500 horsepower and weighed less than 3500lbs. There's a pic in this article of what the car looks like with slicks that will hook.Sorry. Their slicks were’t good enough? You need at lot more than 500 HP to get into a 10 sec ET. Tell you what. You bring out a ZL1 road test, using the slicks you think are appropriate, and show us a 10 sec ET.
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You are taking about a race car. I’m talking about a 69 Camaro with an ZL-1. “ Put slicks on it and open the exhaust and it was a 10 second car all day long. “Nope. The rest is just semantics. None of the other cars could get into the 10’s. Over and out.
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Ok, so a 3200lb car with 575 hp won't be able to run 10's...you win.
And to be fair, an Evo X back in 2014 ran 10s with just full bolt ons, M&H, drag brakes, at 3200lb.
Sorry I started such an argumentative thread on the topic the forum was not about
I take responsibility. It has to do with remembering the great days of muscle cars, but finding out it was a bit of wishful thinking on our part. I drew the line on “10 second runs with stock muscle cars”. With that I will update one piece of info. A 3500 lb car pretty much needs 700 HP to pull off a 10.0. However, the drag strip jargon is that running 10’s can mean 10.99, but just the same, some mods were usually made when any muscle car was taken down to the strip. Thanks for the original posting!
