2028 Toyota GR86 replacement!

[MCompact]

 It depends on what you are used to. There are a ton of cars that can do a mid 5 second 0-60
https://www.zeroto60times.com/5-second-cars-0-60-mph-times/
And many more in the 4 second range. That doesn't include all the modded cars out there, which is very common with turbo cars these days, because they are so easy to tune.

I bought my first mid 5 second 0-60 car eighteen years ago. I followed up with a mid 4 second 0-60 car a few years later. My current car takes 4.1 seconds to hit 60- but a mild tune should knock a few tenths off. And my wife drives a real "rocket"- blasting from 0-60 in a. scorching 5.2 seconds; a Wrangler Sahara 4xe.
I have a momentum car for when I want to experience a more analog vibe.

 

[f355spider]

I bought my first mid 5 second 0-60 car eighteen years ago. I followed up with a mid 4 second 0-60 car a few years later. My current car takes 4.1 seconds to hit 60- but a mild tune should knock a few tenths off. And my wife drives a real "rocket"- blasting from 0-60 in a. scorching 5.2 seconds; a Wrangler Sahara 4xe.
I have a momentum car for when I want to experience a more analog vibe.

I bought my first high 4 second 0-60 car 21 years ago. lol I have two cars that are mid 3s currently...sub 3 sec are the truly fast cars now.

 

[Al]

I always felt these cars were way under powered.

Hopefully they bump up the power.

In my opinion having owned one I would say you are incorrect. Based on numerous dynometer runs the GR86 out out 240 to 250 HP at the crank. Its not in charger/camaro times but. Its no slouch.

 

[XB_Fan]

I'm just happy my Camry gets 6.1 seconds 0-60. More than enough for a family car especially since all I've ever owned are NA 4 cylinders.

A guy on a Facebook group put a 2GR-FE into a 2nd gen Scion XB. That would be fun!

 

[Oliveoil2]

Sooooo not a Toyota engine…. High maintenance cost and low reliability.

 

[Ws6]

I bought my first high 4 second 0-60 car 21 years ago. lol I have two cars that are mid 3s currently...sub 3 sec are the truly fast cars now.

So...stock $45k cars with 100k mile warranty. Truly fast. What a world.

 

[Ws6]

Sooooo not a Toyota engine…. High maintenance cost and low reliability.

No. It's NOT Toyota. It will be less problem prone than their trash.

 

[dgunay]

No

I'm sure your opinion would be changed if you drive one. The Supra is more than a rebadged Z4.

 

[edyvw]

I'm just happy my Camry gets 6.1 seconds 0-60. More than enough for a family car especially since all I've ever owned are NA 4 cylinders.

A guy on a Facebook group put a 2GR-FE into a 2nd gen Scion XB. That would be fun!

My Sienna was really good 0-60. However, it is minivan.
0-60mph is one of the most ridiculous things people brag about because with that understeer and general dynamic capabilities of that Camry, anything that is bolted bit harder to the ground is going to leave it behind, let alone something that is purposefully made more dynamic.

 

[edyvw]

In my opinion having owned one I would say you are incorrect. Based on numerous dynometer runs the GR86 out out 240 to 250 HP at the crank. Its not in charger/camaro times but. Its no slouch.

A few weeks back, I obliterated one on I-70 through curves with 328 (and I had ski rack with skis on the roof). Despite the driver's best intentions to catch up, he could not. My BMW is around 255- 260 hp on crank and 3650lbs.
It is a dog!

 

[Dave Hess]

In my opinion having owned one I would say you are incorrect. Based on numerous dynometer runs the GR86 out out 240 to 250 HP at the crank. Its not in charger/camaro times but. Its no slouch.

My statement you quoted was before I got my 2025 BRZ with manual transmission.

Yes I’ve seen the dyno charts, they make more power than advertised. Probably high 13’s in the quarter mile here in Florida 10 feet above sea level. Not that fast but quick for econobox.

Only wished would be wider wheel / tire combo from factory.

 

[Dave Hess]

I bought my first high 4 second 0-60 car 21 years ago. lol I have two cars that are mid 3s currently...sub 3 sec are the truly fast cars now.

What were the 3 cars you mentioned ?

 

[Dave Hess]

I was initially, but the B58 is a better motor than Toyota could ever hope to dream up, so there's that. Still hanging on to the 2JZ? Cool, but it's a relic. Sure, it has a hella stout block, and is factory turboed, but so is and so does the B58.

Literally a tune+DP gets you in the 10's at almost 130mph in the quarter on a street radial like an 888. It's backed by a ZF8, which, again, absolutely the best there is.

The only issue with the Supra is that it happened to come about at the same time Ford finally sorted out the Mustang GT, and mods on a GT are insanely cheap vs. what you can achieve reliably once you get it in your head to run 8s-9s. For example, in my EV6 GT, I handled up on a FBO Supra on 91 tune, but a FBO with Twins GT? No way. I barely walk away from near stock 10 speeds after 100.

Toyota knows they're a trash company now, so they hired ZF and BMW and got themselves a quick car that doesn't break and is super easy to make legit fast. Kudos to them for knowing their limits.

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My retirement car might be a BMW M2 and tuned.

 

[f355spider]

What were the 3 cars you mentioned ?

The high 4 sec car was a 1997 Ferrari F355 Spider. The current mid 3s cars is a 2009 Ferrari 430 Scuderia and a 2018 BMW M550ix with a mild stage 1 tune. These are older cars...think what the newer stuff does. Its hardly a flex...there is always someone faster...always.

 

[f355spider]

My retirement car might be a BMW M2 and tuned.

It's getting harder to properly tune newer cars, as the Bosch ECUs are factory locked since about mid 2020. You have to send them to Russian or Europe to get them unlocked or go the "piggy back" route. I am told piggy back is not optimal compared to a tuned ECU.

 

[f355spider]

In my opinion having owned one I would say you are incorrect. Based on numerous dynometer runs the GR86 out out 240 to 250 HP at the crank. Its not in charger/camaro times but. Its no slouch.

I've always felt they should have offerred an uprated variant with 300hp to 350hp. More power on such a great car can only make it better.

 

[TCL]

What's that saying? "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow".

 

[Patman]

What's that saying? "It's more fun too drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow".

I prefer driving a fast car fast

 

[edyvw]

What's that saying? "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow".

I am not sure it is more fun, but you won't get in trouble as fast.

 

[Carmudgeon]

Some feature drift going on here…

The GR86 slots in where the Celica, or Silvia/2x0 used to, and must remain somewhat affordable, while still being able to sustain the business case for a niche model.

It it often implied that Suburu, which played a large role in development, has been the conservative party in the partnership, and reluctant to give the car more performance, so if Toyota has decided to go it alone, guided by Akio's "no boring cars" edict, the next generation should be more pleasing to enthusiasts. I don't hate the sound of the boxers, which is distinct, but a 3-cyl at least stands a chance of sounding better.

Where it will fit if the Celica and MR2 are revived, as teased, remains to be seen. Perhaps they'll wise up and use the brand equity in the Celica tag like they should have to begin with. Or now that the Zupra is dead, perhaps they'll save Celica for some FWD-derived cheaper model, and have the new GR86 and Supra share a common in-house RWD platform (not a self-styled and tuned Z coupe) to amortize the cost, like the originals did. But I'm not up on Toyota's chassis portfolio.