2028 Toyota GR86 replacement!

I'd take the 3-cylinder 300 hp GR Corolla engine in a GR86 any day over the 2.4L naturally aspirated engine.

That engine has so much mid-range punch, I'm sure it'd make the GR86 much more fun to drive. Not to mention the 3-cyl engine has so much more potential with small upgrades like an ECU tune, it shouldn't take a lot to see 400+ hp.
 
Al said:
Charger? You need to move up to the Scatpack 485 HP to beat it. Anything less-forget it.
Corvette? Yep... Camaro? maybe.
Mustang? Some
What else? (That you might see once a month?)
Please let me know. I am curious.

But again...its more than fast enough for me 5.4 sec 0-60
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0-60 is not everything. It is only for people who buy cars based on the spec sheet. BRZ / GR86 is a slow car by modern standards, that's how they can keep the MSRP low. Toyobaru aimed to make it slightly faster than MX-5 when they built it. It is slower than any other enthusiast car on a straight line, which doesn't make it a bad vehicle, it's still a great sports car.

Teslas get 2.x seconds 0-60, that doesn't make them better sports cars, they are just fast microwaves on 4 wheels.

3 three-cylinder engine is smaller, and lighter, which means the car will be lighter and more fun to drive. The front end will be more responsive to steering inputs. The weight balance will be closer to 50:50.

Turbo engines offer more torque, meaning that it will be more fun to drive. It will be faster without doing any mods.

It might be fast enough for you, but that doesn't mean it is better.

For tuners, turbo > naturally aspirated, because you get a lot more out of your engine with simple mods.

Long story short, it is the right move for Toyota, especially for a car designed for the tuner crowd.

P.S - Charger R/T with a fleet engine would shred the GR86 if 0-60 is all you care about, you don't need to move up to Scat Pack. As much as I hate the EcoBoost Mustangs and 4-cylinder Camaros (because they are meant to have a V8 engine), they are also faster. Sorry for the bad news, but your car is slower than you thought.
 
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Al said:
I am glad I have the unturboed FA24 228.

LOL!!!..you have not driven the FA24 unturboed with 228 HP unit. I would not WANT any more HP. 5.4 seconds 0-60. Its a friggin rocket.
Very vew vehicles on the road can keep up with it. Center of gravity of the FA24 is 14 inches above pavement. Virtually No vehicles can out handle it.
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I drove one it’s decently. It’s not a rocket because the motor lacks low end torque and requires RPM without turbo to produce power. A rocket now is an EV with instant power or small turbo to get full torque at 1500RPM. It’s old school hurry up and wait unless dropping clutch is your thing.

That all being said it’s a great all around sports car.
 
Al said:
I am glad I have the unturboed FA24 228.

LOL!!!..you have not driven the FA24 unturboed with 228 HP unit. I would not WANT any more HP. 5.4 seconds 0-60. Its a friggin rocket.
Very vew vehicles on the road can keep up with it. Center of gravity of the FA24 is 14 inches above pavement. Virtually No vehicles can out handle it.
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I have not driven a current 86 or BRZ with 228 horsepower.

330 horsepower would be better with a beefed up transmission to handle the power.
 
andrew_j said:
I drove one it’s decently. It’s not a rocket because the motor lacks low end torque and requires RPM without turbo to produce power. A rocket now is an EV with instant power or small turbo to get full torque at 1500RPM. It’s old school hurry up and wait unless dropping clutch is your thing.

That all being said it’s a great all around sports car.
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You may have driven the FA20 engine. The FA24 brings more torque and 30 extra HP. That said. I would have bought it with the FA20.
 
JHZR2 said:
They should have just retained the mid-late 90s Supra twin turbo. Probably the best vehicle Toyota ever made.
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Quite a mediocre car in stock form. Got trounced by competitors at the time. Did not sell well. The desirability of that car is almost entirely 2JZ aftermarket and nostalgia.
 
The title of this Forbes article is pure clickbait. Toyota is NOT "Cutting Ties With Subaru". Toyota owns a controlling interest in Subaru and is NOT selling it. Both companies have benefited financially from their collaboration.
 
Al said:
Charger? You need to move up to the Scatpack 485 HP to beat it. Anything less-forget it.
Corvette? Yep... Camaro? maybe.
Mustang? Some
What else? (That you might see once a month?)
Please let me know. I am curious.

But again...its more than fast enough for me 5.4 sec 0-60
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I'm sorry you believe this, but this is simply delusional.

A 2017 to 2023 BMW 540 are a common sight (I see multiple of them daily). Depending on rear wheel versus all wheel drive, they can rip a 0-60 in 4.6 to 4.9 seconds in stock configuration all day long...a family sedan. They are cheap on the used car market...and why they are popular with young people right now. (The B58 engine is easy to mod and can get the car down to the high 3s with a few changes to intake, exhaust and ECU tuning.)
 
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chris719 said:
Quite a mediocre car in stock form. Got trounced by competitors at the time. Did not sell well. The desirability of that car is almost entirely 2JZ aftermarket and nostalgia.
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Kind of like the current crop of Toyota coupes, huh? We had a 3000GT VR-4 for a while. Fun car. The I6 Supra was well made and fast enough for what it was in the mid 90s.
 
Al said:
I am glad I have the unturboed FA24 228.

LOL!!!..you have not driven the FA24 unturboed with 228 HP unit. I would not WANT any more HP. 5.4 seconds 0-60. Its a friggin rocket.
Very vew vehicles on the road can keep up with it. Center of gravity of the FA24 is 14 inches above pavement. Virtually No vehicles can out handle it.
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You have got to be kidding.
 
Dave Hess said:
I was VERY disappointed when the current Supra was made by BMW…
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I was initially, but the B58 is a better motor than Toyota could ever hope to dream up, so there's that. Still hanging on to the 2JZ? Cool, but it's a relic. Sure, it has a hella stout block, and is factory turboed, but so is and so does the B58.

Literally a tune+DP gets you in the 10's at almost 130mph in the quarter on a street radial like an 888. It's backed by a ZF8, which, again, absolutely the best there is.

The only issue with the Supra is that it happened to come about at the same time Ford finally sorted out the Mustang GT, and mods on a GT are insanely cheap vs. what you can achieve reliably once you get it in your head to run 8s-9s. For example, in my EV6 GT, I handled up on a FBO Supra on 91 tune, but a FBO with Twins GT? No way. I barely walk away from near stock 10 speeds after 100.

Toyota knows they're a trash company now, so they hired ZF and BMW and got themselves a quick car that doesn't break and is super easy to make legit fast. Kudos to them for knowing their limits.

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