2026 Toyota C-HR XSE

[dogememe]

I do think it's funny that high horsepower EVs are seen as a negative. I don't buy slow cars. If it's not fast, I don't want it. That went for ICE too. If it wasn't fast or I couldn't make it fast, I didn't consider it. Of course horsepower is easier to come by in an EV.

Some people will endlessly move the goal posts to complain about EVs.

It doesn’t charge fast enough? Who cares when your need for a bathroom and snack break takes 15 mins anyway.

The range isn’t good enough? 300 miles is fine for your 3 mile commute.

It’s not fast enough? Even the cheapest Tesla is faster than most gas cars.

It’s not cheap enough? A Kia dealer near me had a 2022 Bolt EUV for $12K.

So now they complain it’s TOO fast because it’s all they have left!

 

[alarmguy]

40k for a cuv with 273 miles of optimistic range that'll likely be 200 on the highway when going 80+ with the rest of traffic? Who's asking for these electric things.

Plus the additional insurance cost of a high horsepower and EV vehicle

Many people actually. Some people like V6 and V8 because they are smooth, and torquey, despite them never use more than 100hp in the 400hp engine. EV would easily give those people what they want and throw in the charge at home and reduced maintenance.

I'm not sure if saving money is going to always be where things are, if we all just want to save money we would all be driving Prius and Corollas but most of the vehicles on the roads are pick ups and SUVs.

YES but in all fairness most all EV owners look to save money by charging at home and like you say most vehicles are SUVs and Pick-ups. So buying an EV is not about saving money but many of the owners talk about saving money.
But we never really know, total purchase price, total annual insurance cost. Maintenance costs might actually be the same as EVs burn through tires compared to gasoline.

Much of this is why many people consider going back to gasoline. Im not for or against, I am just for truth and facts as in everything in life. Social media is killing us.

 

[PandaBear]

No one needs more than 200 hp. It's dangerous to have that much power without a special and expensive high power driver's license stamp.

The thing is, 200hp in a Miata is very different than 200hp in a Tahoe. You know which one Americans like to buy more right? It is never the HP of the engine but the traction on the vehicle it is on, or the lack of it compare to the torque applied, that leads to problem. This is also why Tesla tires are typically more expensive because people buy high torque cars and then just use the torque when they shouldn't and manufacturers have to cover their butts by expensive spec tires.

 

[PandaBear]

It’s not cheap enough? A Kia dealer near me had a 2022 Bolt EUV for $12K.

I want to hear the story about why it is so cheap.

 

[alarmguy]

I do think it's funny that high horsepower EVs are seen as a negative. I don't buy slow cars. If it's not fast, I don't want it. That went for ICE too. If it wasn't fast or I couldn't make it fast, I didn't consider it. Of course horsepower is easier to come by in an EV.

Now you can understand why I think it is funny that some people hate all the big SUVs and Pickups trucks on the road vs a small powerful speeding bullet though the insurance companies are not friendly towards small high HP cars.
I hate no one.

 

[buster]

Some people will endlessly move the goal posts to complain about EVs.

It doesn’t charge fast enough? Who cares when your need for a bathroom and snack break takes 15 mins anyway.

The range isn’t good enough? 300 miles is fine for your 3 mile commute.

It’s not fast enough? Even the cheapest Tesla is faster than most gas cars.

It’s not cheap enough? A Kia dealer near me had a 2022 Bolt EUV for $12K.

So now they complain it’s TOO fast because it’s all they have left!

I'm finding this to be very true lol.

 

[dogememe]

I want to hear the story about why it is so cheap.

https://www.kiamarin.com/used-Novato-2022-Chevrolet-Bolt+EUV-Premier-1G1FZ6S05N4130901

It has over 100K miles and no warranty. I actually was passing by yesterday on the way to visit family and took a look at it. They had it fully charged and it was estimating 200 miles of range. Originally EPA rated at 247 so that's a bit of degradation. Although that's based on the dash guesstimate which could be lower if the last few people that test drove it had the heater cranked... a scantool would provide better information. Car looked brand new otherwise and if I needed a cheap car I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. It was a Premier without Supercruise so you could add Comma Four for $1K and have Autopilot like features like a Tesla without FSD.

 

[Wylie6G72]

I'm finding this to be very true lol.

For the record, I have zero issues with powerful cars, EVs notwithstanding. I love a car that can mash me into the seat. I have a problem with people using the power irresponsibly, or in an ignorant manner, i.e thinking that because the car is loaded with nannies, they can drive however they wish. Overestimating their driving abilities, or the tires' / brakes' abilities to bail them out often gets innocent bystanders hurt or killed.

 

[dogememe]

For the record, I have zero issues with powerful cars, EVs notwithstanding. I love a car that can mash me into the seat. I have a problem with people using the power irresponsibly, or in an ignorant manner, i.e thinking that because the car is loaded with nannies, they can drive however they wish. Overestimating their driving abilities, or the tires' / brakes' abilities to bail them out often gets innocent bystanders hurt or killed.

Right but whether they're driving a Yukon with a 6.2L V8 or a Model X Plaid there is no difference, right? I get that on the cheaper end of things a $30K used Model 3 Performance is probably the cheapest way to get 0-60 in 3 seconds but you can also buy a used Camaro ZL1 that does 0-60 in 4 seconds which is close to that for about the same price.

 

[Wylie6G72]

Right but whether they're driving a Yukon with a 6.2L V8 or a Model X Plaid there is no difference, right? I get that on the cheaper end of things a $30K used Model 3 Performance is probably the cheapest way to get 0-60 in 3 seconds but you can also buy a used Camaro ZL1 that does 0-60 in 4 seconds which is close to that for about the same price.

If the argument is like for like between ICE and EV, I'll choose ICE all the way because they fit my life better. I see no distinction in getting into trouble in a $300 horsepower EV or a $300 horsepower ICE.The original question was are EVs more likely to get in a crash in the rain and my response was all other things being equal, if you have a maniacal driver behind the wheel of of a 300hp EV and a 120 hp Corolla, the EV is more likely to get sideways because the idiot behind the wheel doesn't know how to handle the power. Put the same person behind the wheel of a 120hp Corolla and they're much more likely to maintain control. The gerbil under the hood takes time to make power, and it doesn't make that much of it once it's up and going. The beast under the hood of the Tesla makes power instantaneously, and that's where I think a lot of people are getting in trouble.