wemay
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Thanks for sharing, OP. Very impressive.
2026 Toyota C-HR XSE
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Many people actually. Some people like V6 and V8 because they are smooth, and torquey, despite them never use more than 100hp in the 400hp engine. EV would easily give those people what they want and throw in the charge at home and reduced maintenance.
I'm not sure if saving money is going to always be where things are, if we all just want to save money we would all be driving Prius and Corollas but most of the vehicles on the roads are pick ups and SUVs.
So which is more likely to crash in the rain, a 120 horsepower Corolla or a 600 horsepower EV? To answer your question, I have spun out a Mazda 3 and a Mustang on roads that were just wet from dew. All nannies engaged.
AZjeff
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No idea. You're saying a 600 hp EV is going to lose control if the driver floors it at 40mph or whatever? So all the traction stability stuff doesn't work? Maybe someone with an EV can answer. Would it depend on how sophisticated the T/C is?
@JeffKeryk Probably gas up once a week. I can stay home for 5 straight days or drive barely 50 miles and then drive 130 miles a day for 3 straight days.
My quote function is acting up.
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Plenty of Tesla owners can confirm this.
wemay
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Is there a reputable study showing that EV's have a higher crash rate?
Perhaps the driver comes into the equation?
Full Transparancy, the only car I ever spun out in was my '86 Corvette C4. And I wasn't speeding; she couldn't negotiate an expressway off ramp and 1 wheel ended up on the cement median or whatever you call it.
My guess is, the vehicle with the better wet performing rubber is safer. So my GS and M3P fail miserably.
I'm saying that I've proven in more pedestrian cars that with enough ambition your right foot can overwhelm traction & stability control and you can indeed get them sideways in the road. None of the electronic stuff can save you completely. You'd have to almost purposely be trying to crash in something with 120 horsepower, but it would be very easy to overwhelm the nannies in a Tesla Plaid which can be going 100 mph in three blinks of an eye. You've got to have a lot more runway to get an old Corolla up to 100, which gives you much more opportunity to rethink what you're doing.
AZjeff
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@Wylie6G72 The post I was responding to that started this sidetrack said EV 300hp and instant torque and economy car in the rain, not sure where 600hp and 100mph came from? The thread is about a small "economy" EV not a Plaid. The implication to me was it's easier to crash an EV driving normally in the rain. So how did you spin the Mazda?
Back on topic the Toyota would work for 90% of our driving needs but probably wouldn't work for our 3 x 50lb dogs. And we don't drive enough to buy a new $40k car of any flavor.
Back on topic the Toyota would work for 90% of our driving needs but probably wouldn't work for our 3 x 50lb dogs. And we don't drive enough to buy a new $40k car of any flavor.
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I would say the car with the never good OE tires
My point stands when you compare it to a Corolla. Easier to build speed quickly and overestimate your capabilities.
I spun the Mazda taking a curve on a mall perimeter road in the morning dew. Thankfully Sunday morning so there was no one around. I wasn't really trying to play around, but I had never been on that road before, didn't expect a decreasing radius curve, and took it too hot. Hello back end, nice to see you. I took it as a sign that I was supposed to be going the other direction so I just took the long way to the other side of the mall. First and last time I'd ever spun a front-wheel drive car.
The one with the worse driver.
Yeah.
"Recent studies indicate that Tesla vehicles have a higher rate of fatal accidents compared to the national average, with one study reporting 5.6 fatal accidents per billion miles, significantly higher than the 2.8 average. Research suggests this is linked to high acceleration, potential driver distractions from large touchscreens, and over-reliance on driver-assist systems."
Forbes has posted this on two separate times with two separate studies. This was from 2025 so fairly recent.
wemay
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Higher rate of "fatal" crashes isn't good but the question was about number of crashes in general, not fatalities. I couldn't find one supporting that position, that there's a higher percentage of EV crashes vs ICE.
it’s going to be interesting to see in 2028 what the 2027 numbers for EV sales in the US show because we will have a full years worth of sales of all these Toyota options, the upcoming Honda EVs that aren’t GMs, Jeep Recon, Rivian R2, new Bolt, etc in addition to all the existing ones already for sale.
My guess is Tesla will still be #1 and whoever puts the most cash on the hood will be #2.
I say this because even now Teslas are full price although you can maybe get $1-2K off an inventory unit while everyone else is discounting new EVs by 10K or more.
My guess is Tesla will still be #1 and whoever puts the most cash on the hood will be #2.
I say this because even now Teslas are full price although you can maybe get $1-2K off an inventory unit while everyone else is discounting new EVs by 10K or more.
I'm curious as well. Teslas sales have slid significantly in the USA. Rivian posted that they expect a 56 percent increase in sales with the new R2 accounting for 20k units. Elon said he thinks that Tesla sales will be down significantly this year as he expects cybercab production to ramp up.
Definitely a lot more options which is great. Tesla still probably the best but their image has been tarnished.
I do think it's funny that high horsepower EVs are seen as a negative. I don't buy slow cars. If it's not fast, I don't want it. That went for ICE too. If it wasn't fast or I couldn't make it fast, I didn't consider it. Of course horsepower is easier to come by in an EV.
No one needs more than 200 hp. It's dangerous to have that much power without a special and expensive high power driver's license stamp.
