2025 Toyota Camry - All Hybrid

[rbk777]

Ha ha--you don't either. My numbers are facts, except for the expected MPGs, which is an approximation (for the hybrid--I KNOW the mpg a regular Camry gets on the highway). I do highway miles--it's a FACT that a regular Camry will do AT LEAST 40 mpg on the highway (if you keep it under 75, it will actually do around 42-43 mpg). Sorry to burst the bubble you live in. It's also a fact that on the highway hybrid cars typically don't do as well as they do in the city because the battery advantage dissipates. Also, my car price numbers are FACTS that I have person experience with, as are my insurance numbers. Yours are just something you pulled off the internet. Hybrids only make sense if you primarily do city driving. Even there, at best you are going to break even over a regular car like a Camry.

 

[proveitwithdata]

interior is a great place to be. outside is not my cup of tea.

 

[supton]

Ha ha--you don't either. My numbers are facts, except for the expected MPGs, which is an approximation (for the hybrid--I KNOW the mpg a regular Camry gets on the highway). I do highway miles--it's a FACT that a regular Camry will do AT LEAST 40 mpg on the highway (if you keep it under 75, it will actually do around 42-43 mpg). Sorry to burst the bubble you live in. It's also a fact that on the highway hybrid cars typically don't do as well as they do in the city because the battery advantage dissipates. Also, my car price numbers are FACTS that I have person experience with, as are my insurance numbers. Yours are just something you pulled off the internet. Hybrids only make sense if you primarily do city driving. Even there, at best you are going to break even over a regular car like a Camry.

News to me. I should go crunch the numbers, but wife left with the car (and thus the fuel log), and I don’t feel like crunching 60k’s worth of numbers right now.

But pretty sure, with zero city, and some NH winters, that the mpg is 45-50. There’s a reason why city and highway mpg ratings are close on this car.

 

[97prizm]

This system is a parallel system. Gas engine makes around 180hp in the FXS variant, and drives the wheels in parallel to the electric motor. Unlike the honda system that can't use the gas engine while using the electric motor, and vice versa, this system is more versatile and has a lot more top end oomf. In the honda system, you lose pretty much all torque past 45mph and good luck getting past 60 mph in any reasonable time. In this, the gas engine has plenty of power and since it works in parallel to the electric motor, you have all the power all the time.

Now at the same time, the engine can be decoupled, and thus run only on the electric motors, and while crusing, the engine is recharging the battery because of the second motor/generator. Essentially you have 3 motors attached to a planetary gear set CVT (not belt cvt) thus doing everything all at once (or at least make it seem that way, you can't actually but its close).

This is one of the reasons its the best hybrid system around, because it is truly seamless. You don't have a drop off in power like in separate systems, and you still have a psuedo ev mode unlike the mild hybrids.

How does the gas engine and electric motor work simultaneously? Wouldn't they fight each other? Never quite understood this.

 

[Elkins45]

If I were in the market, I'd buy a 2024 naturally aspirated 2.5L, no auto start/stop, 8 speed auto transmission Camry.

But I won't be in the market as long as they're selling for MSRP and above.

There’s a dealer near me advertising base models at $1300 below MSRP.

 

[Nick1994]

Ha ha--you don't either. My numbers are facts, except for the expected MPGs, which is an approximation (for the hybrid--I KNOW the mpg a regular Camry gets on the highway). I do highway miles--it's a FACT that a regular Camry will do AT LEAST 40 mpg on the highway (if you keep it under 75, it will actually do around 42-43 mpg). Sorry to burst the bubble you live in. It's also a fact that on the highway hybrid cars typically don't do as well as they do in the city because the battery advantage dissipates. Also, my car price numbers are FACTS that I have person experience with, as are my insurance numbers. Yours are just something you pulled off the internet. Hybrids only make sense if you primarily do city driving. Even there, at best you are going to break even over a regular car like a Camry.

Sorry that www.toyota.com isn't good enough for you.

Here's the quotes on my policy for a 2024 gas Camry vs. a hybrid. Hardly a wallet breaker.

@supton if your wife is assigned to the Camry and you to the Corolla in your policy, it's likely that is why it's more expensive. Women are cheaper to insure than men, and maybe there is something with that previous claim that affects price as well

 

[supton]

How does the gas engine and electric motor work simultaneously? Wouldn't they fight each other? Never quite understood this.

They get summed together, almost like a differential in reverse. Weber auto, on youtube, has some videos on them.

 

[zzyzzx]

Tons of Corollas in my locale (coastal New England) , the dealers have 8-20 typically.

Do they have dealer markups?

 

[andrew_j]

Do they have dealer markups?

$1800 savings in my locale……

 

[Shel_B]

Toyota will save American drivers millions of gallons of gasoline

Toyota Will Save American Drivers 48 Million Gallons Of Gas Per Year By Making The Camry Hybrid-Only

The Japanese automaker might be making a great choice with the future of its brand.

jalopnik.com

 

[Klarque420]

Toyota is UGLY. But of course, their cult following will love everything they put out, even if it looks hideous junk.

 

[Cujet]

Toyota is UGLY. But of course, their cult following will love everything they put out, even if it looks hideous junk.

Using objective criteria, Toyota make the most reliable vehicles. Period, end of story. They have a following because of that.

 

[Nick1994]

Toyota is UGLY. But of course, their cult following will love everything they put out, even if it looks hideous junk.

It’s almost as if vehicle looks are subjective. Strange, isn’t that?

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Had my little Toyota hybrid since Black Friday. (Corolla cross hybrid)
I am nothing but impressed for my 46 mile each way commute. Averaging 43 mpg on commuting days and enjoying the responsiveness and drivability.

 

[Patrick0525]

In the 2025 Camry, if the hybrid battery is dead is the car still drivable?

 

[Nick1994]

In the 2025 Camry, if the hybrid battery is dead is the car still drivable?

Batteries don’t die in hybrids, once it gets low the gas engine kicks in and recharges it. A non-issue.

 

[Patrick0525]

Batteries don’t die in hybrids, once it gets low the gas engine kicks in and recharges it. A non-issue.

Dead meaning no longer chargeable or has a cell fault. A replacement battery is needed.

 

[Klarque420]

Had my little Toyota hybrid since Black Friday. (Corolla cross hybrid)
I am nothing but impressed for my 46 mile each way commute. Averaging 43 mpg on commuting days and enjoying the responsiveness and drivability.

How is passing power on the highway?

 

[Bryanccfshr]

How is passing power on the highway?

Plenty of power, it’s not a can go from 65 to 85 quicker than I realize. The electronic transmission puts the gas engine right in the power band range when you demand it and the Motor generator gives a boost. I normally don’t drive faster than the speed limit but occasionally have to pass gravel and dump trucks on the highway so I want to make it quick.

-Update on the gas mileage. With higher temperatures, summer fuel and probably my learning to drive the hybrid better I am now averaging 47 mpg per tank. Measured at my Costco on the way home on Thursdays. The electronic mileage tracker is accurate + or minute half and mpg.
We have a-lot of construction traffic and traffic, traffic and international trade truck traffic on I 35/37/410 from Mexico so my afternoon commute is longer in time but better in mileage. I look forward to the double decker lanes being completed and the resurfacing to occur.

On the highway just cruising at Texas survival speeds long distance it will drop down to 42 or less depending on speed and wind.

 

[Hermann]

How is passing power on the highway?

Every hybrid I have driven has a wonderful blast of energy that is instant, for passing. There is no dilly-dallying waiting for downshifts and the revs getting into the powerband. it just goes. In fact if you are to close to whom you are passing, you find yourself almost clipping their rear end getting into the other lane. You move forward instantly, with vigor(word of the day).