If that's the reason and it would not surprise me I'm sure we'll see a massive pull back as the year goes on.
2025 so far EV sales up 28%
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Tesla is on fire!! They're real hot 
Indeed they are, in the US as few as 8 individuals may be responsible for nearly all of the vandalism. I have a feeling the scope stateside maybe hyped up 100x worse than it actually is because of 1 prominent case. (Aka vehicle vandalism in general dwarfs the Tesla vandalism cases by a large factor)
Searching I'm only aware of these Tesla vandal locations:
Tesla vandals face up to 20 years in prison, says attorney general
With vandalism in the following locations
- Salem, OR
- Colorado (two?)
- Loveland, TX
- North Charleston, SC
- ? 1x Cali minor
Most are non-voters and under 25 with a couple outliers, from my point of view a handful of angry cranks are taking advantage of crowds of non-violent 80 year old women holding signs by roadsides as a cover/excuse to be anarchists.
Just like the umbrella men who followed protests to light fires and break windows these jokers need extreme prejudice, some are underage so not sure how that goes.
Doubtful,
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I think arson is generally seen as one of the worst forms of vandalism
I've had several people advise me to sell our car or are worried.
I tell them they are watching too much TV. Chicken Little lives.
I tell them they are watching too much TV. Chicken Little lives.
ARE YOU READY FOR THIS?
I was in shock, really, more so because generally the mid south and south is conservative. Also we are in an area that is a friendly (lack of better words) hometown feel.
A member of our community posted on our community site that he took his Tesla in for its yearly DMV inspection and the shop told him they are refusing to inspect Tesla's.
In that case, personally I feel our community of a couple thousand should refuse to go there. How childish this is.
I was in shock, really, more so because generally the mid south and south is conservative. Also we are in an area that is a friendly (lack of better words) hometown feel.
A member of our community posted on our community site that he took his Tesla in for its yearly DMV inspection and the shop told him they are refusing to inspect Tesla's.
In that case, personally I feel our community of a couple thousand should refuse to go there. How childish this is.
Jim Morrison told us a long time ago, "People are Strange..."
Yeah, repair shop shooting himself in the foot.
I loved the Doors. I hated that song
One I loved the most people do not know exist is "The Soft Parade"
Wow, how they composed that is amazing. Amazing 8 min song. I guess it was the drugs back then
Gotta love the percussion.
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There are used Teslas out there for much less than $25K. Seen many fairly new Model 3s in the teens. Older Model S, I have seen for $10-13K, mileage dependent.
Saying what you paid for a gas car in 2010 is only marginally relevant, because the market has gone up so much, and used electric cars didn't exist in 2010. Now that the EV market is more established, there are good used choices for the inflation adjusted amount of $14,633.03 that you spent in 2010 in 2010 dollars.
People still calculate "payoff" on electric vehicles? Payoff as compared to what? We all have to have cars, this is America, we are a car-bound society. Cars wear out and eventually have to be replaced.
I lease my Lightning for less money than it would have cost me to lease a bottom of the line gas F150 crew cab, in this case an XL with the 2.7. There is no "payoff" to be calculated, because the vehicle was already cheaper than the gas option.
But if you really wanted to, one could look at it vs keeping my old 2010 Navigator. It needed a transmission and a timing job, and it got 13mpg. With the cost of having someone else do those two things, I've paid for most of my lease already. And I can fill the Lightning up at home from 0-100% (I have never actually rolled into my driveway with less than 23%) for $9.80 based on the capacity of the battery, 98KWH.
In one case though, I won't have a vehicle at the end of the lease, and have to pay a $499 disposition fee. On the other case, I have a vehicle that's worth a very little with a new transmission that still gets 13 mpg around town. What's the payoff, or ROI, with that? I'm pretty sure the value of the repairs, the low vehicle value and the fact that I paid for 15K miles worth of gas, puts the value of the Lightning lease plus cost of operation above keeping the Navigator.
I would argue that this is an exercise in futility also though, because most people with a 14 year vehicle that needs major work, are going to replace it with something newer. $0.02.
Yes well electricity also costs 4 times as much in CA as it does here Central Texas also.
Makes it easy for solar to justify itself, if you're a homeowner and an EV driver. If you live in an apartment in CA, get a Prius.
Many paid cash, that's why the Texas market got so distorted during the pandemic, IMO. After we sold in early 2022 we sat out a year and it's turned out to be a good decision, haven't lost much.
@Sumboodie outlined it nicely in his comment, feel free to re-read it. Leasing a vehicle means you have nothing in the end other than expenditure. Good for you.
Did the dealer allow $7500 on the lightning lease?
There is a Right to Charge in CA. Condos and even apartments are seeing chargers, slowly but surely. Sometimes it's done as an enticement for renters as renters often ask for it. That's what $5 gas will do.
But I agree, hybrids can make a lotta sense. We have one.
it was one of the incentives applied against the lease, yes.
The solar's been a total no brainer, I wish everything in life gave me that ROI. I had to do something as electricity to run this place would be 6K+ a year prob 7 after the rate hikes planned this year.
Agreed, if you can't change at home don't bother although I'd probably'y go for the civic vs the prius - yeah. If you can charge at home it's a total game changer.
Even if you dont have solar, some of the power companies here have OK (none great) car plans.
People who bought a first gen Leaf new instead of leasing it lost their shirts. The battery life depreciates way faster than the later EV because Nissan cut corners on cooling. Its range was too low to begin with and won't have much use after the initial amount of depreciation.
This is a lesson for most EV owners: you are buying something new that is uncertain, and it is sometimes better to lease and pay a bit more so the manufacturers are holding the bag if something goes wrong. EV is not a gas car and a lot of the ownership cost is the battery depreciation in miles or years. You also cannot predict how many units the manufacturer will make later and tell whether the residual value will tank or appreciate in a few years.
Same can be said about a Hyundai EV that a tiny dent in the battery box will total the car because Hyundai does not make affordable replacement or repair. I'm sure we can find similar gouging on gasoline luxury super car as well...
Tesla relatively speaking does not drop as bad in residual as Leaf. You can still drive them even if the 300 mile range drop down to 100 miles.
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