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I'll just add that a 96kWh battery isn't small, it's larger than the one found in many EV's. It will inherently have less range in this application, just due to the size of the vehicle, but, as @hemioiler noted, it'll be considerably more than adequate for day-to-day usage and I can't see how you'd end up deep discharging it, since most people will be plugging it in at night and won't be trying to make 200 mile trips every day.

I assume hybrid operation will be "smart" and won't let the battery get down ridiculously low in the first place, running the generator to keep it up so that it has sufficient power on hills and the like. You are probably able to set a threshold as well, but that's a bit of speculation on my part.

It is a nice chunk of battery -at 150 KW max rate it's architecture seems very either conservative or inefficient.

With this big a battery you'd think it could perform with top players charge rates. ?

I'm curious to see the compute and cooling architecture and to know how the coolant / heating circuits work.

Im looking forward to Sandy tearing it down.
 
It is a nice chunk of battery -at 150 KW max rate it's architecture seems very either conservative or inefficient.

With this big a battery you'd think it could perform with top players charge rates. ?

I'm curious to see the compute and cooling architecture and to know how the coolant / heating circuits work.

Im looking forward to Sandy tearing it down.
I must have missed 150kW max rate. That doesn’t jive with the front page specs. Unless there are games being played with the summation of the motors’ ratings versus the available total power.

Remember though also, it says 615 lb-ft of torque.

If I’m calculating correctly, say each motor is equally specified (I know they differ a bit), and are 150ft-lb, which is 200Nm.

Power (kW) = Torque (N.m) x Speed (RPM) / 9.5488

So if the wheel is traveling at 850RPM and it’s a motor on wheel, then 200Nm at 850RPM is only 17kW.

So it seems to me that something is funky in their specs, or my assumptions/calcs.
 
I must have missed 150kW max rate. That doesn’t jive with the front page specs. Unless there are games being played with the summation of the motors’ ratings versus the available total power.

Remember though also, it says 615 lb-ft of torque.

If I’m calculating correctly, say each motor is equally specified (I know they differ a bit), and are 150ft-lb, which is 200Nm.

Power (kW) = Torque (N.m) x Speed (RPM) / 9.5488

So if the wheel is traveling at 850RPM and it’s a motor on wheel, then 200Nm at 850RPM is only 17kW.

So it seems to me that something is funky in their specs, or my assumptions/calcs.

It's in deep down in the article vs a highlight.

I remembered it bigger than it actually is - it's 145KWH. Squares with their ice as a DC generator able to feed at a sustained 130.

"Ram offers customers a quick and convenient recharging solution with the ability to add up to 50 miles of all-electric range in approximately 10 minutes with 400-volt DC fast charging at up to 145 kW."

Right now all it is is a good idea.
I (redacted "we" as I cant speak for anyone else) need to see and understand how it's really going to work, but its got all the stuff to actually be cool - (outside the pork)
 
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You'd be safe. I'd only smear myself on the side of your tank of a truck with a badge the size of my car. 😂

Seriously there has to be a limit to weight. It's dangerous. The laws of physics are what they are and if you think you can argue otherwise you're delusional. Power is one thing, weight is another. I will die if I get hit by one of these things, there's no way out of it. If it's light and fast it can at least be maneuvered and stopped without fighting mass as much. We still have laws against speeding. There's no way to combat how heavy a vehicle is now because we're somehow allowing 9k lb electric Hummers on the road when that used to be reserved only for commercial vehicles.

You can say it's the same thing, but it's not even close. Speed can be enforced. The laws of physics can be harsh and a truck that weighs 3 times the car in front of it will guarantee kill the driver in front of them if they can't stop in the distance behind the accident in front of them. I get that it's illegal to follow to closely, but writing a ticket for following too closely doesn't bring the driver of the subcompact back to life.

I love freedom and I love cars, but I will jump up and down with joy if they banned large vehicles for the average person. Allow people to have them that need them with an additional license, but it's getting ridiculous the way it is now. We have more forms of distraction that people give into each day and they're driving heavier vehicles than ever. Sure I probably would have been safer to keep my stupid truck, but I would argue that was too big for the average person. I had no business having it even if I was comfortable driving it and I was. There was no reason why I needed something that weighed twice my current car to commute to work. It's sad it took me 5+ years and twice the fuel to realize it.

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No wonder why I hate F150's... their headlights truly are almost eye level. [Never mind the fact that they must have about 6 headlights up front now.]
 
No wonder why I hate F150's... their headlights truly are almost eye level. [Never mind the fact that they must have about 6 headlights up front now.]
That's my honest transition. I got out of a 2017 to get in my current GTI. I loved the car from the second I drove it, but it took awhile to not feel like I was dragging my butt on the ground while driving it. I was amazed that I ever got used to driving a truck. It was my only truck and it's a fraction of an inch under 80 inches wide. That was by design. If you look at the wider Raptor or the Super Dutys they all have 3-5 orange lights in the grill or on the roof. Those lights are required for any vehicle more than 80 inches wide.

The previous car to the F150 was a 2006 Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas. I want to say it was just as long as the truck, but it never felt unwieldy because it weighed only 3,700 lbs which made it extremely nimble for its size. Most trucks are this way though with the headlight height and unfortunately driving something as low as the GTI or Model 3 every truck and some SUVs are blinding. My garage changed a lot last year.

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I wonder why the Dodge boys, Ram or Stellantis, whatever you want to call them didn't select a more proven hybrid system where the gas engine can provide drive directly to the wheels, you know, like Toyota and Honda while the electric motors are there to help out as battery capacity is available while also allowing bursts of EV mode operation?
This would seem to provide efficiency gains over the diesel locomotive system this pickup uses.
Too difficult and expensive to develop?
 
I wonder why the Dodge boys, Ram or Stellantis, whatever you want to call them didn't select a more proven hybrid system where the gas engine can provide drive directly to the wheels, you know, like Toyota and Honda while the electric motors are there to help out as battery capacity is available while also allowing bursts of EV mode operation?
This would seem to provide efficiency gains over the diesel locomotive system this pickup uses.
Too difficult and expensive to develop?
I figure it's because any form of ICE is going to be hard to pass emissions and this will have more in common with their full EV.
 
It’s dangerous that the average person can buy something that heavy. I have no problem with people towing that need to tow. People using them as grocery getters that are inattentive and aren’t tuned to stopping distances like someone that uses a truck to it’s potential literally shouldn’t be able to have them.

No it's not dangerous. You feel insecure, that's not the same thing as them being dangerous.

Why do you get to decide what is too big for other people? Should woman be allowed to force bulked out and tattooed gym rats to the other side of the street because they feel unsafe?

If you're terrified of the road then stay home and order everything in. Society doesn't have to change just because you feel something is unsafe.
 
No it's not dangerous. You feel insecure, that's not the same thing as them being dangerous.

Why do you get to decide what is too big for other people? Should woman be allowed to force bulked out and tattooed gym rats to the other side of the street because they feel unsafe?

If you're terrified of the road then stay home and order everything in. Society doesn't have to change just because you feel something is unsafe.
It’s dangerous. You’re not going to change the definition of the word because you feel I’m being unreasonable. Getting hit by a vehicle that is 6,000 lbs as opposed to one that is 4,000 has the potential of doing more damage to the vehicle and occupants it hits.

There’s no form of insecurity to me about it. That might actually be a question for the people driving jacked up trucks that haven’t towed a day in their life. The fact is that accidents happen. I shouldn’t need to buy another truck to join the heavy vehicle wars because those vehicles especially with hybrids and EVs just keep getting exponentially heavier. Heck, my last truck wouldn’t likely fair too well against these lifted 3500s. Concerning my car some of their bumpers are at my head height. I get that is technically not legal, but no one seems to be stopping that from happening.

I get that we have freedom. It’s more guided than you think. I’m just glad stupid people feel their choice is free when buying all these overpriced vehicles and then think they own the road.

The only fear I have is of inattentive drivers on the road. They just happen to get bigger and bigger vehicles. I spend a lot of time on the road and that won’t change anytime soon which is why I don’t drive a large thirsty vehicle. It was an extremely unwise waste of money because like many I bought a truck because I thought I needed one.
 
It’s dangerous. You’re not going to change the definition of the word because you feel I’m being unreasonable. Getting hit by a vehicle that is 6,000 lbs as opposed to one that is 4,000 has the potential of doing more damage to the vehicle and occupants it hits.

There’s no form of insecurity to me about it. That might actually be a question for the people driving jacked up trucks that haven’t towed a day in their life. The fact is that accidents happen. I shouldn’t need to buy another truck to join the heavy vehicle wars because those vehicles especially with hybrids and EVs just keep getting exponentially heavier. Heck, my last truck wouldn’t likely fair too well against these lifted 3500s. Concerning my car some of their bumpers are at my head height. I get that is technically not legal, but no one seems to be stopping that from happening.

I get that we have freedom. It’s more guided than you think. I’m just glad stupid people feel their choice is free when buying all these overpriced vehicles and then think they own the road.

The only fear I have is of inattentive drivers on the road. They just happen to get bigger and bigger vehicles. I spend a lot of time on the road and that won’t change anytime soon which is why I don’t drive a large thirsty vehicle. It was an extremely unwise waste of money because like many I bought a truck because I thought I needed one.
So, what are your thoughts on transport trucks then?

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(that 2nd one is a Chevy Silverado)
 
Is that supposed to change a single thing I've said?
No, it's a rather pointed question about what your thoughts are on transport trucks, which are obviously (as illustrated) hazards for the same reason you are concerned about the weight of average vehicles going up. No amount of airbags or crumple zones are going to save you in the above scenarios, so I'm interested in what your thoughts are on that.
 
It’s dangerous. You’re not going to change the definition of the word because you feel I’m being unreasonable. Getting hit by a vehicle that is 6,000 lbs as opposed to one that is 4,000 has the potential of doing more damage to the vehicle and occupants it hits.

You're very insecure if you're worried about a pickup. And you need to be a responsible adult and deal with your issues and stop trying to change society just because you feel a few thousand pounds is too much.

Next you'll want to reduce the speed limit because that can be dangerous too. And bikers want to kick cars off the road because they can be turned in a human bowling ball.

Your kind is never happy. Just stay home if you're that terrified of passing a f150 on the road, or take some anxiety pills, whatever you need. But stay out of my home, my truck, my life, my decisions. Those are mine to make.
 
You're very insecure if you're worried about a pickup. And you need to be a responsible adult and deal with your issues and stop trying to change society just because you feel a few thousand pounds is too much.

Next you'll want to reduce the speed limit because that can be dangerous too. And bikers want to kick cars off the road because they can be turned in a human bowling ball.

Your kind is never happy. Just stay home if you're that terrified of passing a f150 on the road, or take some anxiety pills, whatever you need. But stay out of my home, my truck, my life, my decisions. Those are mine to make.
I'm worried about pick-ups too, particularly the ones with like a 1 foot lift kit where their bumper is level with my windshield. What's your position on mall crawlers and the Carolina Squat?
 
I'm worried about pick-ups too, particularly the ones with like a 1 foot lift kit where their bumper is level with my windshield. What's your position on mall crawlers and the Carolina Squat?
I can't stand it. It's amazing how many trucks are like this here. There's 3-5 of them parked in front of my neighbor's home at all times, usually blocking my whole front lawn. I understand that none of it is legal, but that doesn't seem to stop them.
You're very insecure if you're worried about a pickup. And you need to be a responsible adult and deal with your issues and stop trying to change society just because you feel a few thousand pounds is too much.

Next you'll want to reduce the speed limit because that can be dangerous too. And bikers want to kick cars off the road because they can be turned in a human bowling ball.

Your kind is never happy. Just stay home if you're that terrified of passing a f150 on the road, or take some anxiety pills, whatever you need. But stay out of my home, my truck, my life, my decisions. Those are mine to make.
I think you completely missed what I said. My concern is inattentive drivers which seems to continue to get worse with driving distractions. What exponentially compounds it is heavier vehicles when the accident does happen. People are free to make their own decisions. Some are selfish and are not in their best interest, but they're free to do so.

My kind? Forget it, you aren't worth my energy.
 
No, it's a rather pointed question about what your thoughts are on transport trucks, which are obviously (as illustrated) hazards for the same reason you are concerned about the weight of average vehicles going up. No amount of airbags or crumple zones are going to save you in the above scenarios, so I'm interested in what your thoughts are on that.
That directly does not change what I said. They're a necessity for the job. The guy driving the 1 foot lift truck you mentioned doesn't need it, it's a personal choice and driven from A to B a Yugo assuming it doesn't break down will accomplish the same thing.
 
I can't stand it. It's amazing how many trucks are like this here. There's 3-5 of them parked in front of my neighbor's home at all times, usually blocking my whole front lawn. I understand that none of it is legal, but that doesn't seem to stop them.
And that's a fundamental issue, with no enforcement, what's the point of the regulation? And these vehicles are often a medley of offences with Chinese HID's or LED's pointed right at eye-level running 12" wide mud tires in January with enough bump steer and death wobble due to offshore garbage suspension bits that they can barely be kept between the white and yellows on dry pavement, let alone on a snow-covered road.
 
That's my honest transition. I got out of a 2017 to get in my current GTI. I loved the car from the second I drove it, but it took awhile to not feel like I was dragging my butt on the ground while driving it. I was amazed that I ever got used to driving a truck. It was my only truck and it's a fraction of an inch under 80 inches wide. That was by design. If you look at the wider Raptor or the Super Dutys they all have 3-5 orange lights in the grill or on the roof. Those lights are required for any vehicle more than 80 inches wide.

The previous car to the F150 was a 2006 Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas. I want to say it was just as long as the truck, but it never felt unwieldy because it weighed only 3,700 lbs which made it extremely nimble for its size. Most trucks are this way though with the headlight height and unfortunately driving something as low as the GTI or Model 3 every truck and some SUVs are blinding. My garage changed a lot last year.

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As a guy with two trucks (a half ton and a midsized) I'm curious.

Did your life change in that you no longer need a truck to tow or haul and can get by with a sedan and a hatchback?

Or did you not need a truck to begin with but owned one for other reasons?

I disagree on endless licensing for some weight, but we'll agree to disagree there.
 
That directly does not change what I said. They're a necessity for the job. The guy driving the 1 foot lift truck you mentioned doesn't need it, it's a personal choice and driven from A to B a Yugo assuming it doesn't break down will accomplish the same thing.
I'm not trying to change what you said, it was a question regarding your thoughts about transport trucks, given your position on personal vehicles, which I suspected my views on were more extreme than yours. You've now answered that.

I don't think they are a necessity at all, at least not for long-haul. We did just fine for decades without JIT delivery, with rail as the backbone for moving large quantities of freight where most transport truck runs were reasonably short and there were far fewer of them on major highways. Now we have entire families living in a truck cab that could be making a run from El Paso to Winnipeg, and none of them have ever seen snow, let alone driven in it. This presents considerable danger for those sharing the road.

A number of US states have been considering dedicated truck-only lanes to help deal with the risk of having trucks sharing the roads with smaller vehicles. This includes both Missouri and Georgia.
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I believe there are already places in Europe with this implemented. However, Europe also has a lot more active rail infrastructure than we do.
 
As a guy with two trucks (a half ton and a midsized) I'm curious.

Did your life change in that you no longer need a truck to tow or haul and can get by with a sedan and a hatchback?

Or did you not need a truck to begin with but owned one for other reasons?

I disagree on endless licensing for some weight, but we'll agree to disagree there.
Somewhat. I never really towed, but I used the bed a lot. I was also constantly offroad. I had to remove the front air dam because nature helped a lot with removing it. I then refused to use my personal vehicle for work and use a company vehicle so I was able to get out of needing it. Then on family trips with two large dogs and 4 people we started having to take two vehicles for this. Two much smaller vehicles were able to do the same thing for less than what it cost the truck to operate per mile.

I've since changed jobs and drive about twice as much as I used to just to commute. If I had kept the truck I think I would have finally sold it after switching jobs. If I did have reason for a truck again, I would not buy a full size. At one time the smaller truck would not have done it for my family. The space of the supercrew was perfect for a family of 4 with one large dog on long trips. I honestly think if that was my situation still I'd just deal with the fuel economy these days. I don't think going to an EV version would change that for me just because it would be exponentially heavier and I just don't want that. That does mean likely that a truck the size of the Rivian would work for me not technically being a full size, but I'd rather not spend that much on a vehicle.
 
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