2024 Landcruiser

[TiGeo]

Its commendable that you are a VW fan. VW's track record for the last 10 years has also been somewhat abmysal in the US. There are probably very few knowledgeable people cross shopping between a VW and a Toyota however, let alone a people mover Atlas vs a body on frame full time 4WD SUV.

It was simply an example of manufacturers using smaller turbo 4s in larger vehicles, that's it. If VW can make a reliable 4 banger turbo, then Toyota sure as heck can. VW's recent MK7 ea888.3 is a v. reliable and durable turbo 4 and not "abmysal". These engines handle 2x power regularly without issue. I'm sure Toyota will be fine. VW's reliablilty on the recent generation of vehicles is primiarly related to a host of other issues, not blowing up engines.

 

[andrew_j]

I think manufacturers are going to 4-cyl turbos simply because they're cheap to build VS a V6 or V8 engine.

How about the this particular driveline has superior torque at lower RPM then previous drivelines and apparently going to achieve 27 MPG combined.

 

[Hermann]

The FJ80 was handsome. Its been a spiral of worse and worse looks since then.

I think I coukd put Toyota badging on a bronco and make it look about like that.

I was excited when I saw this thread. The truck to me is a let down in looks, but that’s the the trend with Toyota since around y2k unfortunately.

This may be one you need to see in person.


I think it looks OK to Good. I like the downsizing. I like the round headlights on the base, although retro style round headlights are everywhere now. No longer that unique.

If Toyota comes through on it promise of the 2.4 liter turbo (268 hp IIRC) with a 6 speed manual for the new Tacoma, I'll be ordering one. Yee Ha

 

[HoosierJeeper]

It would've been better with solid axles but at least the Wrangler gets to remain the off road king! Nice vehicle, although I'm not sure what will differentiate it from the 4runner and make it worth the price difference.

 

[TiGeo]

It would've been better with solid axles but at least the Wrangler gets to remain the off road king! Nice vehicle, although I'm not sure what will differentiate it from the 4runner and make it worth the price difference.

Becuase solid axles handle like crap (while being great offroad!) and most folks buying this are driving on the road. You can get to anywhere you need with an IFS vehicle.

 

[ATex7239]

All the well to do soccer mom are gonna love it.

 

[SC Maintenance]

On its face, a body on frame SUV with locking rear diff with a Toyota badge on it for $50K would normally be highly welcomed by the off road community. There are so few options anymore.

However the hybrid powertrain only option will be a giant turn off I think. For those that actually go off road, which is a pretty small group, so maybe it won't matter. I have no issues with hybrids on road, but pounding a battery down the Rubicon sounds like a bad idea to me?

 

[nobb]

However the hybrid powertrain only option will be a giant turn off I think. For those that actually go off road, which is a pretty small group, so maybe it won't matter. I have no issues with hybrids on road, but pounding a battery down the Rubicon sounds like a bad idea to me?

Ni-MH batteries should be more robust than lithium ion, at the cost of lower power density. But yea, I would be concerned with vibration too. Also, the i-Force hybrid powertrain seems to use clutches to engage the electric motor with the engine which doesn't seem ideal from a longevity standpoint. Just like the use of clutches in a differential... wouldn't these wear out over time?

 

[MrStamper]

The round headlights are only for first edition models which are limited to 3000 world wide I think. Was reading about it a couple of days ago.

I do think this Land Cruiser looks more appealing than the last. UK is only getting a 2.8 291hp diesel at first.

Aftermarket will take care of the round headlights for everyone else.

 

[andrew_j]

On its face, a body on frame SUV with locking rear diff with a Toyota badge on it for $50K would normally be highly welcomed by the off road community. There are so few options anymore.

However the hybrid powertrain only option will be a giant turn off I think. For those that actually go off road, which is a pretty small group, so maybe it won't matter. I have no issues with hybrids on road, but pounding a battery down the Rubicon sounds like a bad idea to me?

Jeep has PHEV going down Rubicon with ease. I have a strong feeling Toyota who is the world authority in hybrid driveline has it sorted vs Jeep who depended on a supplier.

 

[supton]

Also, the i-Force hybrid powertrain seems to use clutches to engage the electric motor with the engine which doesn't seem ideal from a longevity standpoint. Just like the use of clutches in a differential... wouldn't these wear out over time?

Everything is a wear item… time will tell if this is a trouble spot or not.

At least here, they might be able to match speeds on both sides of the clutch. Wear might be minimal. Then again, that may lead them to use less friction material, which tends to lead to shorter life.

 

[SC Maintenance]

Jeep has PHEV going down Rubicon with ease.

Batteries and electronics don't like shock and vibration and eventually give out over time. Well nothing mechanical does either, but they have a lot more time to perfect it.

My point being the off-road community I am sure is going to be equally skeptical. However given most rubicons go no further than the mall, then likely neither will most land cruisers anyway.

 

[Leo99]

Batteries and electronics don't like shock and vibration and eventually give out over time. Well nothing mechanical does either, but they have a lot more time to perfect it.

My point being the off-road community I am sure is going to be equally skeptical. However given most rubicons go no further than the mall, then likely neither will most land cruisers anyway.

The Taliban, ISIS, and Al Qaeda will test them out off-road and report back.

 

[edyvw]

Its commendable that you are a VW fan. VW's track record for the last 10 years has also been somewhat abmysal in the US. There are probably very few knowledgeable people cross shopping between a VW and a Toyota however, let alone a people mover Atlas vs a body on frame full time 4WD SUV.

Tell us about that abysmal record. I want to know more.

 

[edyvw]

The Taliban, ISIS, and Al Qaeda will test them out off-road and report back.

They don't get that. Toyota's for those parts of the world is a way more rudimentary vehicle.

 

[edyvw]

I think manufacturers are going to 4-cyl turbos simply because they're cheap to build VS a V6 or V8 engine.

Not really. Modern 4cyl is a more complex engine than a naturally aspirated V6.
Modern 4cyl has more advantages than V6. One of them being much lighter and, with that reducing understeer and overall weight.
4cyl turbo engines are mainstream in Europe for 30 years. The only reason why they were not here is super cheap gas.

 

[4WD]

Not really. Modern 4cyl is a more complex engine than a naturally aspirated V6.
Modern 4cyl has more advantages than V6. One of them being much lighter and, with that reducing understeer and overall weight.
4cyl turbo engines are mainstream in Europe for 30 years. The only reason why they were not here is super cheap gas.

And the I6’s here had a range of sizes - recall my grandfather having from 144 CID (car) to 300 CID (LT) six bangers …

 

[Shel_B]

 

[edyvw]

And the I6’s here had a range of sizes - recall my grandfather having from 144 CID (car) to 300 CID (LT) six bangers …

Yeah, not some gas sippers.

 

[meep]

Now that’s just funny!