Same. A good set of AT tires is good for everything but the worst conditions.Not in my experience. A good set of AT's blow stock bologna skins away.
And the tires that are good in the worst conditions are massively compromised everywhere else.
Same. A good set of AT tires is good for everything but the worst conditions.Not in my experience. A good set of AT's blow stock bologna skins away.
Actually, that is true. Usually, JEEP's are unstoppable in the snow when you want them to stop.It kicks bum.
I put new 33.5" Kenda Klever RT's on my lifted F-150 tow rig. We just came back from up North where my wife and I attended our club ride up the Mt Washington Auto road. They had us pahk the truck and trailer on a wet, crappy grass hill. It started to downpour when leaving and my truck didn't even slip. With my old Coopers, I would have needed 4wd to get out.
JEEP's and trucks with oversized tires are No. 1 when it comes to "ditching" here during snow, followed closely by Subaru's.Even in mud I find that beyond a 285 they stay up in softer mud and spin too much … when you need to find a deeper layer … 285’s normally a good size for sand as well …
I would be willing to bet that the Tundra's grill is still bigger.
Actually, that is true. Usually, JEEP's are unstoppable in the snow when you want them to stop.
Sure.BS. But that's a very cute and witty reply.
Sure.
Any of my three vehicles on snows are going to run circles around any JEEP in snow. The amount of confidence among JEEP drivers usually amounts to size of tires which provide same traction as track tires I use on BMW.
But do tell me more.
The severity of ditching during snow in these JEEP’s always corresponds to size of tires. At the local ski slopes here you ain’t gonna find JEEP’s. Only tourist are the one driving them there in the winter.And Jeep drivers are overconfident? What an oxymoron. Circles? HAHA that's awesome!
Ed, I'm going to click the "like" button on your post as it gave me the first laugh of the day. Thank you, sir!
I like it.
Vast improvement over the current Tundra.
From looking at profile photos, they’ve also removed the “bubble-like”, rounded shape to the aft part of the cab, which gives it a tougher look.
To everyone saying that the tires are small, you need to understand that there’s a huge market for aftermarket suspension and wheels, especially among Toyota truck buyers. A good percentage of the guys who buy these immediately install a lifted aftermarket suspension, and a set of chunky all-terrain tires, whether they’re hitting Baja, or want to hop the curb at the local Target on a Saturday afternoon.
Heck, I just bought a set of front and rear OEM suspension from a new 2021 Tacoma with less than 400 miles on it off a guy on Tacoma World. He put aftermarket Bilsteins on it as soon as he bought it. It’ll be a good upgrade for my 2007 with 238,000+ miles!
Back to the Tundra - It’ll be a huge seller for Toyota. Like others, I’m looking forward to powertrain details, but from what I’ve heard, it’s highly likely that it will have a version of the current turbo 3.4L V6 from the Lexus LS500.
What will be even more interesting will be if Toyota decides to actually give the PRO version a powertrain upgrade in addition to the suspension and trim and “looks” package it’s always (rather boringly) consisted of. I doubt Toyota has the stones to attempt a head-to-head challenge of the likes of the TRX (or even the Raptor). But SOMETHING more than the current offering would make the package much more appealing, especially considering that, judging from the Toyota forums, even the guys who buy the TRD-PRO versions immediately start upgrading suspension.
The severity of ditching during snow in these JEEP’s always corresponds to size of tires. At the local ski slopes here you ain’t gonna find JEEP’s. Only tourist are the one driving them there in the winter.
But yeah, sure.
Subaru's follow closely. It is a heated race who will ditch first. Trucks are competitive too.It's always the Subaru's I see off the road here in UT. I was driving down Parley's Canyon at like 4 am for a flight one morning in a white out. I saw 4 cars spun off the road at various points. All of them were Subarus.
I casually drove down the hill in my gargantuan F150 on Wrangler Duratracs without an issue.
Quite right, and, from looking at the forums, most guys have figured that out, and want the TRD-OR.Which is why the entire TRD Pro line is so stupid. Pay an extra $7000 + dealer mark ups for the TRD Pro and immediately rip out the only thing that makes it unique, the suspension and wheels.
They really don't offer much besides that over the regular old TRD OR models.
I live near Park City in Utah and there are a lot of the TRD Pro trucks running around. Almost all of them are not stock. Its hilarious.Quite right, and, from looking at the forums, most guys have figured that out, and want the TRD-OR.
But, there are always those who want that status symbol. Which is all the TRD-PRO really is.
Unless they finally decides to give it an actual powertrain upgrade.
I live near Park City in Utah and there are a lot of the TRD Pro trucks running around. Almost all of them are not stock. Its hilarious.
And then every non-TRD Pro 4Runner or Tacoma is running the takeoffs from the TRD Pros which is also hilarious.
And then here I am running the 4Runner TRD OR wheels on my Lexus GX because they are a better offset and width than the TRD Pro's.
During a snow storm the ONLY time I found AT tires to be better than the Michelin LTX was in blizzards or deep mud. The LTX’s are superior in the rain, ice, and mixed weather conditions than any AT I have used (BfGoodrich KO/KO2, Nitto Terra Grappler/G2, Duratracs, Wranglers). Additionally I have found the performance of an AT tire drop fairly quickly vs a high end highway tire. Now if you are in construction or do real off-roading not dirt paths I absolutely see the need for them (most owners don’t). Most tires that come on brand new trucks are typically garbage so buying any quality type of tire will be better. I am not embarrassed to say my truck is a pavement princess like the majority of trucks these days. So in many ways AT tires are chosen simply for looks.Same. A good set of AT tires is good for everything but the worst conditions.
And the tires that are good in the worst conditions are massively compromised everywhere else.
Most AT tires are chosen for looks. We’ve put Michelin LTX tires on all of our 4x4 work trucks for a long time. Nasty oil fields to the Sierras and desert. No problems and they perform just fine.During a snow storm the ONLY time I found AT tires to be better than the Michelin LTX was in blizzards or deep mud. The LTX’s are superior in the rain, ice, and mixed weather conditions than any AT I have used (BfGoodrich KO/KO2, Nitto Terra Grappler/G2, Duratracs, Wranglers). Additionally I have found the performance of an AT tire drop fairly quickly vs a high end highway tire. Now if you are in construction or do real off-roading not dirt paths I absolutely see the need for them (most owners don’t). Most tires that come on brand new trucks are typically garbage so buying any quality type of tire will be better. I am not embarrassed to say my truck is a pavement princess like the majority of trucks these days. So in many ways AT tires are chosen simply for looks.
Yes. Everything now looks like the designer(s) were let loose with a 1:1 scale Lego Block Kit.Horrible.
What possessed them to design possibly the ugliest truck ever?
In the age of over the top grille designs this is the worst one yet.
The whole truck is a hot mess.
The mid engine Corvette is also a mess.Yes. Everything now looks like the designer(s) were let loose with a 1:1 scale Lego Block Kit.
Marvelous. Best thing since GM ripped off the Ferrari 458 for design cues on the mid-engined Corvette.