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The OP asked out of curiosity. He doesn't own one.
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Ahh yes. A thick vs. thin thread.
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Not defending Ravenol just curious where you get this from, the MSDS, or low oxidation numbers for such high PAO in the majority PAO blends? VMP has an Audi Motorsport part number so I’m a little surprised I guess.
Well…. There was that thread I had about Ravenol DXG that the 5L jug from Blauparts claimed it was d1G2 back when that was the “new” flavor… and the VOA showed it was actually d1G1, so there’s false advertising for you.
d1G2 back-specs to cover d1G1, but if you had an engine that required d1G2 and you were using a d1G1 oil you’d likely be buggered on a warranty claim.
That, and for all the fancy makeup and additives, it couldn’t even stay in grade on my EcoBoost even at ~60% of the OLM expectation.
Ok, according to who? Have there been some standardize test done vs others X brand oils? Shell also says it have the best cleaning property vs othersThere is nothing like @High Performance Lubricants Super Car "@OVERKILL" 0W-20.
You can order it here: https://www.advlubrication.com/collections/automotive-lubricants/products/super-car-engine-oil
It's will provide you with the best anti wear and cleaning properties on the market, bar-none.
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Ravenol is the Steven Seagal of lubricants... the German version.
Maybe @OVERKILL has a little bit of time to tell us how Ravenol SSL 0W-40 varnished up his 6.4L HEMI in his Jeep Grand Cherokee. He's currently running @High Performance Lubricants which is cleaning up the mess that the Ravenol made.
Shell claims that it can keep the engine clean of deposits. HPL can in fact clean a dirty engine. There is a huge difference between the two.Shell also says it have the best cleaning property vs others
Maybe @OVERKILL has a little bit of time to tell us how Ravenol SSL 0W-40 varnished up his 6.4L HEMI in his Jeep Grand Cherokee. He's currently running @High Performance Lubricants which is cleaning up the mess that the Ravenol made.
Steven Seagal oil...So its unbeatable fluid
. Never claimed anything, i don't use ravenol. Shell claims no other motor oil can keep your engine closer to factory clean.. just like you claiming about Hpl oils having best cleaning properties on the market 
. You can also use Mobil 1 0w-40, SHU 0w-40, AMSOIL Signature Series series or any Heavy Duty diesel oil for cleaning.How would such an oil meet any Euro standards if deposits were that bad? Many of Ravenol’s oils meet some demanding standards. Do you have any real evidence to support your claims? I don’t really feel like paying their prices so I don’t use Ravenol, but it feels like sour grapes here.
no, he doesn't have. I think its more about marketing the Hpl oils, but i could be wrong
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Shell claims it can KEEP an engine clean, that's a wholly different scenario than actually cleaning up after an oil that didn't. There are very few oils in the market that claim to be able to clean, Mobil has claimed their 0W-40 does, that's about the only major one I can think of off the top of my head.Shell also says it have the best cleaning property vs others
Detergents and dispersants aren't cleaners, they are designed to prevent particulate from agglomerating and preventing deposits from forming; prevent them from plating out on surfaces.
Oils with polar bases (esters, AN's) can perform some slow cleaning of existing deposits, this is a base oil function, not an additive package function.
Forget Shell, was just an example about their claims. The text was from their website. My point was wholly different
Steven Seagal oil...So its unbeatable fluid
Detergents aren't cleaners?
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I suppose my comparison was wrong and unfair, so I will attempt to fix that:Steven Seagal oil...So its unbeatable fluid
Ravenol is the Neil Breen of lubricants.
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OK, HPL oils are formulated with significant quantities of both esters and AN's, so they are formulated to clean. Mobil 1 0W-40, IIRC, it's the AN content that gives it the ability to clean. There are threads on these things in some of the more technical forums, if you'd like links to some of these subjects/discussions, let me know.Forget Shell, was just an example about their claims. The text was from their website. My point was wholly different
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Correct. This has been discussed several times. They are surfactants, their purpose is to prevent deposits, not clean up existing ones. I can link you to some previous discussions, or, you can search my username and detergents and find more detailed comments on this.
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HPL or @High Performance Lubricants, who is also a sponsor on this forum, is an industrial lubricant manufacturer. They are not a boutique oil blender. To that end, neither are AMSOIL or Red Line, for example. AMSOIL is also an industrial lubricant manufacturer that manufactures lubricants for various industries and is also present in the pharmaceutical industry. Red Line is owned by the Phillips 66 Spectrum Corporation, and consequently they have access to vast resources to manufacture and distribute their products.I think its more about marketing the HPL products, but i could be wrong.
As previously mentioned, HPL is a sponsor on this forum. That simply means that HPL pays some of BITOG's bills (web hosting, software) and in exchange they are allowed to advertise on this forum. Though I would argue that HPL and Mr. David Ward, the owner and CEO of @High Performance Lubricants, have been more of an invaluable resource than advertisers on this platform. Mr. Ward contributed knowledge and even created some custom products like the NO-VII line of motor oils at the request of various forum members, including mine.
The lubricants that HPL offers to consumers have been put through extensive fleet testing to the tune of about ~180 million miles per year, on average. Their motor oils are formulated for fleet use, long drain interval, and abuse, amongst other things. The fact that all consumer and heavy-duty HPL motor oils have the ability to slowly clean (over the span of an OCI) dirty and neglected engines is just a side effect of the excellent formulations that Mr. Ward, his team, and Dr. Leslie Rudnick created.
I have no stake in HPL whatsoever, other than I admire the company, what it stands for, and the excellent products that they create. I have purchased and used their products before, and continue to do so, like here for example: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...ted-ups-just-dropped-off-the-packages.355350/
I am also using their products in some commercial applications. Per my signature, I am evaluating a bunch of Mobil and one Castrol product. I was curious, to say the least, about the new Triple Action+ Mobil 1 formulation, their LV ATF HP fluid, TES-668, and Delvac 1 heavy duty gear oil. I am a hobbyist and I do like to try out new products from time to time. I still have a considerable HPL stash including motor oils, gear oils, and ATF.
I have also met Mr. Ward, and I was impressed with the amount of data he provided about his products. Not marketing, because David is not a marketing guy, but actual data. I'd go so far and call Mr. Ward my friend. He is very confident in the products that his company puts out and will answer any question, within reason, about his products. All you guys need to do is ask. Please show me any other lubricant manufacturer that is this approachable.
I don't have anything against Ravenol. However, they blend some less than stellar lubricants. For example Ravenol SSL 0W-40 varnished @OVERKILL's 6.4L HEMI. He cut the filter open after his OCI and even the insides of the filter had varnish in it. He switched to HPL Super Car 0W-40. As a fun experiment he put a piece of the filter (I believe it was the bypass spring) in HPL Super Car 0W-40 and within a day or two it cleaned up the varnish, just by sitting in the oil. IMHO Ravenol is not good value for money. I was not, however, comparing Ravenol to other lubricants or HPL. Whoever wants to spend money on Ravenol and use it is more than welcome to do so. It's expensive for what it is, that's for sure.
Don't know about Ravenol, But do you have any data, foto, engine teardown on the subject (expect for the oil filter cutting), Aslo Need to ask you if the HPL 5w-40 "euro" oil is suitable for light duty diesel? Since i didn't get a answer from HPL on that subject. Also what benchmark do you use to see performance difference between HPL oils vs Rowe oils?(also a non approved oil for example)
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That's a very broad question. I'm sure you know how to read HPL's recommended use from the PDS. All their motor oils are blended with approved additive packages.
@High Performance Lubricants is quick to answer questions so you either asked the question like you did here or you sent it via email and it landec in their SPAM folder. Maybe you should lead with yhe make & model of your vehicle and the OEM recommendation in your owner's manual.
HPL does not have international distribution for their consumer products in place. So I'm not sure why you'd be interested, since you're located in Finland. I doubt it's worth the wait to order and have the oil shipped by mail since it woul cost a fortune in shipping charges alone.
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