2019 Ram Brakes

I agree.

I have installed PS brakes and bedded them in the same way I do all the rest. I will do a few medium hard stops from 40-50mph to 10-15mph, a few harder ones at the same speed, a few more hard stops from 55-65mph to 10-15mph. I don't come to a full stop - and I let them cool in between stops. Works fine all the time!
Oh I don't let 'em cool until I've completed all ten. I do the ten as rapidly as I can -- without bouncing off the rev limiter on acceleration.

Once I start to smell 'em (usually around #7 or #8) I know it's working and the bite increases noticeably. Even Powerstop used to say don't be worried if you smell them -- that's ok.

Then I drive several miles down the road and several back to cool them. When I turn around I brake lightly and go to P and get off the brakes if I must wait for oncoming traffic while turning back.
 
Here's the latest. I challenge anyone to find a flat rate tech who has TIME or SPACE to do 30 decelerations from 30mph to 5mph.

Maybe this is a great idea on paper but I don't see how it ever jives with reality??
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Here's the latest. I challenge anyone to find a flat rate tech who has TIME or SPACE to do 30 decelerations from 30mph to 5mph.

Maybe this is a great idea on paper but I don't see how it ever jives with reality??View attachment 236408
Reality is, all brakes will eventually get bedded in. Look at new cars on the lot — rotors are shiny with no material transfer and the finish still has the factory cross-hatch on them.
 
Reality is, all brakes will eventually get bedded in. Look at new cars on the lot — rotors are shiny with no material transfer and the finish still has the factory cross-hatch on them.
And I feel like that's what Powerstop's latest instructions say. Or basically, just go drive around a residential neighborhood for ~30 minutes. You'll probably wind up with 30 stops from 30mph. Do California stops to meet the specified lower threshold of 5 mph ;)
 
Which is what vs what, exactly?

Powerstop used to say 10 stops, five being "medium hard" and five being "quite hard" from 35 or 40 mph. I can never remember which were 40-10 and which were 35-5, so now I just go do ten hard stops and then drive it several miles + to cool. Seems fine.

Lately it seems Powerstop wants an absurd number of lighter stops -- 20? 25? 50? I don't remember.

But it's absolutely unrealistic IMO and I ignore that. You can't expect any shop to perform the latter instructions. Again IMO. YMMV and all standard disclaimers.....

I'm incredibly lucky that I'm on a quiet stretch of highway where I can safely get ten stops from ~40 to ~5mph and most don't have that luxury!
This is a picture of the box. Didn't know if I would need it for reference when I no longer had access to the box. I don't remember exactly what he said he did, but it was lighter duty than this. Of what I remember it was more aligned with the number of lower speed stops.

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And I feel like that's what Powerstop's latest instructions say. Or basically, just go drive around a residential neighborhood for ~30 minutes. You'll probably wind up with 30 stops from 30mph. Do California stops to meet the specified lower threshold of 5 mph ;)
I could see one getting the police called on them :ROFLMAO:
 
This is a picture of the box. Didn't know if I would need it for reference when I no longer had access to the box. I don't remember exactly what he said he did, but it was lighter duty than this. Of what I remember it was more aligned with the number of lower speed stops.

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I could see one getting the police called on them :ROFLMAO:
Thank you! Those are the instructions I still (roughly) follow. Powerstop may vary by pad type, but I thought they were all ceramic that I've used and haven't seen your instructions in awhile.

Anyway, it doesn't seem to really matter.
 
Thank you! Those are the instructions I still (roughly) follow. Powerstop may vary by pad type, but I thought they were all ceramic that I've used and haven't seen your instructions in awhile.

Anyway, it doesn't seem to really matter.
The Z36 is a "carbon fiber ceramic"

I could definitely see it varying by pad composition.
 
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