2017-2019 Toyotas: what OCI do you use?

[DirectRejection]

Originally Posted by Ngamtns
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
2019 Lexus UX 250h F-Sport.
7.5k mile OCI.
15k mile OFCI.
Pennzoil Hybrid 0W16.
75% highway.
But my driving is somewhat severe service.

I'm doing 0w16 on my 2019 camry as well. Mobil 1. Could you tell any difference from the factory to the pennzoil? Likely not although some say they can.


I have not noticed any difference,
and the only variable would be winter blend fuel.

The issue for me was I do not want to
climb under this car and do DIY oil changes.

My Lexus dealership does 200 changes per day,
so it is either a three hour wait with appointment at Lexus,
or 10 minutes at Jiffy Lube.

Yes I watch very carefully
while they do the service,
while sipping on a cup of coffee
in the lobby.

I bought a fluid extractor at Harbor Freight to cut costs,
with a quick change every 5 weeks,
and a full LOF every ten weeks.

For once in my life,
I am going to try to be consistent
with a maintenance plan.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Have you used the fluid extractor yet? I would love to hear how much you get out

Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
Originally Posted by Ngamtns
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
2019 Lexus UX 250h F-Sport.
7.5k mile OCI.
15k mile OFCI.
Pennzoil Hybrid 0W16.
75% highway.
But my driving is somewhat severe service.

I'm doing 0w16 on my 2019 camry as well. Mobil 1. Could you tell any difference from the factory to the pennzoil? Likely not although some say they can.


I have not noticed any difference,
and the only variable would be winter blend fuel.

The issue for me was I do not want to
climb under this car and do DIY oil changes.

My Lexus dealership does 200 changes per day,
so it is either a three hour wait with appointment at Lexus,
or 10 minutes at Jiffy Lube.

Yes I watch very carefully
while they do the service,
while sipping on a cup of coffee
in the lobby.

I bought a fluid extractor at Harbor Freight to cut costs,
with a quick change every 5 weeks,
and a full LOF every ten weeks.

For once in my life,
I am going to try to be consistent
with a maintenance plan.

 

[PWMDMD]

Originally Posted by Railrust
Originally Posted by PWMDMD
Originally Posted by ejes
Though they won't admit it (some don't even understand it), the vast majority of people qualify for the "severe conditions" driving OCI's. As such, I do 5k OCI's on all my vehicles. I don't trust the generic car computer algorithms, etc. To me "mostly highway" is at least 51%. Personally, if I'm being honest with myself, I never come close to 51% highway, and anything less than that is severe duty. To each his own however...


There are so many shades of gray here. I do few "highway miles" but I'm also not doing stop and go city miles either. I'm gently cruising at 35-50 mph on back roads with little stop and go besides the occasional stop light or stop sign. Are those city or highway miles as far as wear and tear on the engine? I'd argue they should count towards "highway miles" even though I rarely go on the highway. How many stops before it counts towards city miles? What about my friends who commute into Boston every day? They are on the highway and usually in constant stop and go traffic for 20-30 miles and 1-1.5 hours? Perhaps, but the other 20-30 miles of their commute are "easy" highway miles cruising at 70mph and on the weekend they are driving the gentle backroads in town.

When I think "severe" I think of NYC cabs or Police cruisers that are starting and stopping constantly and when they aren't they are sitting there idling or work trucks that are constantly loaded and/or towing. I'd argue "most" people outside of major cities who do not use their vehicles for work or who do a lot of heavy towing or idling do not fall into the "severe conditions" OCI.


You live in Mass? You're doing severe driving everyday right now if you wake up, start the car and drive to work. Since the end of November I'd say the morning temperatures have been bellow freezing 80% of the time, with temps bellow 15 several times. New England weather is a nightmare. Cold starts, longer warm up times. Even if you have a garage, doesn't matter all that much after your car is sitting out there freezing at work all day and you get in and start it up.


Cold starts are hard on the engine...why do you believe they're hard on the oil?

 

[ejes]

Originally Posted by PWMDMD
Originally Posted by Railrust
Originally Posted by PWMDMD
Originally Posted by ejes
Though they won't admit it (some don't even understand it), the vast majority of people qualify for the "severe conditions" driving OCI's. As such, I do 5k OCI's on all my vehicles. I don't trust the generic car computer algorithms, etc. To me "mostly highway" is at least 51%. Personally, if I'm being honest with myself, I never come close to 51% highway, and anything less than that is severe duty. To each his own however...


There are so many shades of gray here. I do few "highway miles" but I'm also not doing stop and go city miles either. I'm gently cruising at 35-50 mph on back roads with little stop and go besides the occasional stop light or stop sign. Are those city or highway miles as far as wear and tear on the engine? I'd argue they should count towards "highway miles" even though I rarely go on the highway. How many stops before it counts towards city miles? What about my friends who commute into Boston every day? They are on the highway and usually in constant stop and go traffic for 20-30 miles and 1-1.5 hours? Perhaps, but the other 20-30 miles of their commute are "easy" highway miles cruising at 70mph and on the weekend they are driving the gentle backroads in town.

When I think "severe" I think of NYC cabs or Police cruisers that are starting and stopping constantly and when they aren't they are sitting there idling or work trucks that are constantly loaded and/or towing. I'd argue "most" people outside of major cities who do not use their vehicles for work or who do a lot of heavy towing or idling do not fall into the "severe conditions" OCI.


You live in Mass? You're doing severe driving everyday right now if you wake up, start the car and drive to work. Since the end of November I'd say the morning temperatures have been bellow freezing 80% of the time, with temps bellow 15 several times. New England weather is a nightmare. Cold starts, longer warm up times. Even if you have a garage, doesn't matter all that much after your car is sitting out there freezing at work all day and you get in and start it up.


Cold starts are hard on the engine...why do you believe they're hard on the oil?


Oil looses its viscosity the more it is used. Oil with 10k on it doesn't flow as well as oil with 5k on it, generally (I'm sure there are always exceptions), especially in very cold temps.

Not trying to be snarky, but this is my point in the first line of my original post. If you are asking all those questions trying to figure out if your driving is severe, it probably is.

 

[ARB1977]

My 2015 Tacoma calls for 5K intervals. Done plenty of 10K intervals with Amsoil SS 5W30.

 

[camryrolla]

Originally Posted by NH73
If you are running dealer bulk oil you may want to consider changing sooner.
If you know what the dealer bulk oil is, its fine running 10k oci. Toyota doesn't have complicated requirements for oil. GF-5 0w20. Or for the newer ones, 0w16 SN+. Pretty simple. If you stick to that, you should be able to do it. I however, just stick to a full synthetic.
[/quote]

Since Toyotas are easy on oil, stick to the manual and use full synthetic as recommended. Use a higher tier full synthetic like M1 AFE/EP/AP or PUP to give you plenty of buffer for 10K OCI. Those who try to deviate from the oil cap by cheapen out using conventional or blend tend to show up here on the board complaining about losing oil on their Toyota cars.

 

[Railrust]

Originally Posted by PWMDMD
Originally Posted by Railrust
Originally Posted by PWMDMD
Originally Posted by ejes
Though they won't admit it (some don't even understand it), the vast majority of people qualify for the "severe conditions" driving OCI's. As such, I do 5k OCI's on all my vehicles. I don't trust the generic car computer algorithms, etc. To me "mostly highway" is at least 51%. Personally, if I'm being honest with myself, I never come close to 51% highway, and anything less than that is severe duty. To each his own however...


There are so many shades of gray here. I do few "highway miles" but I'm also not doing stop and go city miles either. I'm gently cruising at 35-50 mph on back roads with little stop and go besides the occasional stop light or stop sign. Are those city or highway miles as far as wear and tear on the engine? I'd argue they should count towards "highway miles" even though I rarely go on the highway. How many stops before it counts towards city miles? What about my friends who commute into Boston every day? They are on the highway and usually in constant stop and go traffic for 20-30 miles and 1-1.5 hours? Perhaps, but the other 20-30 miles of their commute are "easy" highway miles cruising at 70mph and on the weekend they are driving the gentle backroads in town.

When I think "severe" I think of NYC cabs or Police cruisers that are starting and stopping constantly and when they aren't they are sitting there idling or work trucks that are constantly loaded and/or towing. I'd argue "most" people outside of major cities who do not use their vehicles for work or who do a lot of heavy towing or idling do not fall into the "severe conditions" OCI.


You live in Mass? You're doing severe driving everyday right now if you wake up, start the car and drive to work. Since the end of November I'd say the morning temperatures have been bellow freezing 80% of the time, with temps bellow 15 several times. New England weather is a nightmare. Cold starts, longer warm up times. Even if you have a garage, doesn't matter all that much after your car is sitting out there freezing at work all day and you get in and start it up.


Cold starts are hard on the engine...why do you believe they're hard on the oil?

My personal guess...cold starts equal excessive amounts of condensation which leads to acid buildup? All I know is that the parameters for manufacturers regarding "severe conditions" include cold weather driving/start. Hot Webster driving too, along with towing. Why would towing be tough on oil? Why would anything be tough on oil? I imagine if it's tough on an engine, it's tough on oil.

 

[DirectRejection]

Originally Posted by Bryanccfshr
Have you used the fluid extractor yet? I would love to hear how much you get out
3.4 quarts. One side note. An oil change including new filter takes 4 quarts exactly. This is right up to the top of the full line on the dipstick. The factory says it takes 4.5 quarts. SMH.
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
Originally Posted by Ngamtns
Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
2019 Lexus UX 250h F-Sport.
7.5k mile OCI.
15k mile OFCI.
Pennzoil Hybrid 0W16.
75% highway.
But my driving is somewhat severe service.

I'm doing 0w16 on my 2019 camry as well. Mobil 1. Could you tell any difference from the factory to the pennzoil? Likely not although some say they can.


I have not noticed any difference,
and the only variable would be winter blend fuel.

The issue for me was I do not want to
climb under this car and do DIY oil changes.

My Lexus dealership does 200 changes per day,
so it is either a three hour wait with appointment at Lexus,
or 10 minutes at Jiffy Lube.

Yes I watch very carefully
while they do the service,
while sipping on a cup of coffee
in the lobby.

I bought a fluid extractor at Harbor Freight to cut costs,
with a quick change every 5 weeks,
and a full LOF every ten weeks.

For once in my life,
I am going to try to be consistent
with a maintenance plan.



Response to your question at the top is in red.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Thanks

 

[Vaca]

Originally Posted by NormanBuntz
I just bought a 2017 Camry XLE 4 cylinder with 10,000 miles. It only has 7 months of new car warranty left. OM calls for 10K mile oil changes with 0w-20 synthetic oil. Toyota owners: what say ye?


I change the oil in a 2017 RAV4 twice a year (in the spring and fall) at between 9000 and 11,000 miles using Mobil 1 0w-30 AFE and the Toyota OEM filter once a year at around 20,000 miles.

I live in Pennsylvania. Car currently has a little over 50,000 miles and runs great (I would hope so) and uses very little, maybe a quarter quart or half quart, between the ~10k changes. I also did one early change at around 4000 miles, and now just do the twice a year changes.

As a side note, only other things I've done with this car is changing the ATF once and new front brake pads, and also front wiper inserts. Everything else is fine, even the air filter and cabin filter are pretty clean.

 

[Dorian]

With our 15 Camry Hybrid and 14.5 Camry 4 cylinder (same as the 17 powertrains) we have only done 10K OCIs and they both run like tops. We are currently on vacation with the hybrid, and it is close to 10K and I have no anxiety about going slightly over. I would say that both cars consume about 1/2 a quart over 10K miles. I have had great success with Castrol Magnatec and plan on continuing to run it in both cars.

 

[Yah-Tah-Hey]

Use the OEM recommended maintenance schedule.

 

[NH73]

I just got my Rotella Gas Truck 0w20 for my RAV4 hybrid. Going to change it, changing it myself for the first time.