Well I know I didn't need to but I really wanted to so I changed out the FF at 782 miles. I noticed it started to look dirty on the rag when wiping the dipstick so I went for it. I was really surprised that it was black as coal in the drain pan, I'm glad I changed it now. I could tell that the color was in the oil rather than the oil its self being black if that makes any sence. I'm even going send it off for a UOA just for fun.
2016 Outback FB25 1st oil change
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Don't worry about Leo
Yeh it seems a bit too soon but whatever floats your boat
I bet Leo has used the same toothbrush since 8th grade because hey, why change it.
Leo if it were up to you would you pass a law that the FF can not be changed before "x,xxx" miles?
Also transmission fluid should be illegal to change as well
Yeh it seems a bit too soon but whatever floats your boat
I bet Leo has used the same toothbrush since 8th grade because hey, why change it.
Leo if it were up to you would you pass a law that the FF can not be changed before "x,xxx" miles?
Also transmission fluid should be illegal to change as well
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wemay
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782 mile oci...
Breaking a law? No
Neglectful of a resource? Quite possibly.
Breaking a law? No
Neglectful of a resource? Quite possibly.
I feel I used my clearance Royal Purple much more responcibly than any TV show or movie that performs pyrotechnics.
If it makes anyone feel better I have been doing 1 year 10k-15k OCI on all my broke in vehicles.
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
Well I know I didn't need to but I really wanted to so I changed out the FF at 782 miles. I noticed it started to look dirty on the rag when wiping the dipstick so I went for it. I was really surprised that it was black as coal in the drain pan, I'm glad I changed it now. I could tell that the color was in the oil rather than the oil its self being black if that makes any sence. I'm even going send it off for a UOA just for fun.
Get to the important part. What did you put in, what filter did you use?
Well I know I didn't need to but I really wanted to so I changed out the FF at 782 miles. I noticed it started to look dirty on the rag when wiping the dipstick so I went for it. I was really surprised that it was black as coal in the drain pan, I'm glad I changed it now. I could tell that the color was in the oil rather than the oil its self being black if that makes any sence. I'm even going send it off for a UOA just for fun.
Get to the important part. What did you put in, what filter did you use?
In: low grade Royal Purple 0w20, filter Wix.
I'm old school, I approve.
A 4,000mi OCI next one I'd do as well.
Get that junk out!!
I REALLY wouldn't do a UOA until you hit 30,000 miles on the car though. I think that you won't have any good baseline until then, and stick to the same oil if you do UOAs!!!!
WHOA just re-read your post... You baby your ride and you use Royal Purple??
I had a buddy that got Purple dirt cheap that I attended Auto Mechanics with, and he wondered why his oil was always so black and beaten looking, and I think I remember it globbed out of the pan when he drained it and we thought he was taking in a bit of coolant...
He started using Mobil 1 IIRC, and he was amazed at how much longer the oil looked "clean" compared to Royal Purple.
I wouldn't put Royal Purple in my car. I would use PYB way before Purple.
My last fill was PYB... Royal Purple???
Best place for you to get the oil for your Outback is the parts counter at the dealer.
I have used Indemitsu 0W20 on my car one Winter, amazing oil.
Or use Pennzoil Platinum, Ultra etc.
For the advertising budget Royal Purple has I am BLOWN AWAY they aren't a major site sponsor looking to get street cred with us, look at what Shell (Pennzoil) is doing with the Bitog crowd!!!
GOOD JOB ON THE WIX YOU ARE FORGIVEN ON THE ROYAL PURPLE.
A 4,000mi OCI next one I'd do as well.
Get that junk out!!
I REALLY wouldn't do a UOA until you hit 30,000 miles on the car though. I think that you won't have any good baseline until then, and stick to the same oil if you do UOAs!!!!
WHOA just re-read your post... You baby your ride and you use Royal Purple??
I had a buddy that got Purple dirt cheap that I attended Auto Mechanics with, and he wondered why his oil was always so black and beaten looking, and I think I remember it globbed out of the pan when he drained it and we thought he was taking in a bit of coolant...
He started using Mobil 1 IIRC, and he was amazed at how much longer the oil looked "clean" compared to Royal Purple.
I wouldn't put Royal Purple in my car. I would use PYB way before Purple.
My last fill was PYB... Royal Purple???
Best place for you to get the oil for your Outback is the parts counter at the dealer.
I have used Indemitsu 0W20 on my car one Winter, amazing oil.
Or use Pennzoil Platinum, Ultra etc.
For the advertising budget Royal Purple has I am BLOWN AWAY they aren't a major site sponsor looking to get street cred with us, look at what Shell (Pennzoil) is doing with the Bitog crowd!!!
GOOD JOB ON THE WIX YOU ARE FORGIVEN ON THE ROYAL PURPLE.
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Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
Well I know I didn't need to but I really wanted to so I changed out the FF at 782 miles. I noticed it started to look dirty on the rag when wiping the dipstick so I went for it. I was really surprised that it was black as coal in the drain pan, I'm glad I changed it now. I could tell that the color was in the oil rather than the oil its self being black if that makes any sense. I'm even going send it off for a UOA just for fun.
from me; I for one will be interested in the amount of stuff floating in the oil. Going to cut the filter open?
Well I know I didn't need to but I really wanted to so I changed out the FF at 782 miles. I noticed it started to look dirty on the rag when wiping the dipstick so I went for it. I was really surprised that it was black as coal in the drain pan, I'm glad I changed it now. I could tell that the color was in the oil rather than the oil its self being black if that makes any sense. I'm even going send it off for a UOA just for fun.
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
In: low grade Royal Purple 0w20, filter Wix.
That's the same oil/filter combination that I'm using in my FB25 Outback. Hard to beat the price when Walmart put RP 0W-20 on closeout. And if you buy your filters at NAPA during their semi-annual filter sale, then you really have a bargain.
Don't let the naysayers give you [censored] over the RP. I just got my results from a UAO on the RP that I drained at 52,500 miles, and the results were great, every bit as good as what I got on my first UAO that I took at 23,000 miles, with PP coming out of the crankcase.
I drained my factory fill early too, at 921 miles. There is debate as to if the factory fill shouldn't be left for the full OCI. Some claim that Subaru uses a special factory fill oil that is intended to stay in for the full OCI. But I'm still a little old school, about getting any contaminants out of a new crankcase.
In: low grade Royal Purple 0w20, filter Wix.
That's the same oil/filter combination that I'm using in my FB25 Outback. Hard to beat the price when Walmart put RP 0W-20 on closeout. And if you buy your filters at NAPA during their semi-annual filter sale, then you really have a bargain.
Don't let the naysayers give you [censored] over the RP. I just got my results from a UAO on the RP that I drained at 52,500 miles, and the results were great, every bit as good as what I got on my first UAO that I took at 23,000 miles, with PP coming out of the crankcase.
I drained my factory fill early too, at 921 miles. There is debate as to if the factory fill shouldn't be left for the full OCI. Some claim that Subaru uses a special factory fill oil that is intended to stay in for the full OCI. But I'm still a little old school, about getting any contaminants out of a new crankcase.
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
In: low grade Royal Purple 0w20, filter Wix.
I am a relic as well, and always do early changes. The dark color is almost certainly from the assembly lube, which a lot of people think you should leave in.....But your engine is probably well over 90% run in at this point, so I cannot see how it would continue to help....
In: low grade Royal Purple 0w20, filter Wix.
I am a relic as well, and always do early changes. The dark color is almost certainly from the assembly lube, which a lot of people think you should leave in.....But your engine is probably well over 90% run in at this point, so I cannot see how it would continue to help....
wemay
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I like the the oil/filter combo as well, just would not dump oil so early. I'd at least go with Subaru's severe service schedule. I know it's debatable.
Please do get the UOA on the FF Subaru oil coming out on this early change, and post it as soon as you get it!
With such an early oil change, the UOA would reflect both early wear patterns on your engine, and what the true characteristics of the Subaru FF are. It is not necessarily the case that the FF oil is the same as what Subaru provides for regular changes. Is the FF even a 0w-20?
It will answer some open and important questions. Especially: how much moly is in the FF oil? Is it in fact different in that regard from the Idemitsu -supplied Mazda 0w-20? Is the FF oil different than what Subaru provides at the parts counter? (Would need an up-to-date VOA on the latter to compare; I haven't seen one posted here but maybe I missed it). How does the Subaru FF oil compare to other high-quality 0w-20 oils that an owner might choose?
If you really wanted to get into the scientific weeds and do a controlled experiment, you could get a UOA on the RP you just put in after a putting in matching 782 miles on it, to compare the RP performance relating to wear with the performance of the FF oil. Inquiring minds would like to know!
With such an early oil change, the UOA would reflect both early wear patterns on your engine, and what the true characteristics of the Subaru FF are. It is not necessarily the case that the FF oil is the same as what Subaru provides for regular changes. Is the FF even a 0w-20?
It will answer some open and important questions. Especially: how much moly is in the FF oil? Is it in fact different in that regard from the Idemitsu -supplied Mazda 0w-20? Is the FF oil different than what Subaru provides at the parts counter? (Would need an up-to-date VOA on the latter to compare; I haven't seen one posted here but maybe I missed it). How does the Subaru FF oil compare to other high-quality 0w-20 oils that an owner might choose?
If you really wanted to get into the scientific weeds and do a controlled experiment, you could get a UOA on the RP you just put in after a putting in matching 782 miles on it, to compare the RP performance relating to wear with the performance of the FF oil. Inquiring minds would like to know!
Lots of cool comments. The RP will just be for 1 oil change then the next 4 will be free at the dealer. I'll see what the dealer really uses and send it it to be tested at the 24k mile mark. I will post the UOA on the FF when I get it back. I'll be going Fumoto at 24k also. The drain oil was so dirty I just might cut open the filter. Even my 15k runs in my truck looked twice as good as this FF. I know you can't judge oil by sight but unless it was a diesel, coal black oil won't be in my car!
Well I just cut the filter and it was perfect. No sign of the crazy black dust. I poured the small amount of oil out of the filter into a small can and at about 3/8" deep it turns pure black. All the thin residue is Amber/brown just like the filter media. Like I said in my first post I know it would have been fine to run this oil out but I really wanted to have it analyzed and I have plenty of oil in stash so it doesn't cost me much.
The guy buys a brand new car and everybody wants him to keep dirty oil in it.
Originally Posted By: RedOakRanch
Well I just cut the filter and it was perfect...
Was the Factory filter you replaced the tall black Japanese-sourced one, like the one Subaru installs on the 2.5 N/A engine used in the Forester? AFAIK it is the same engine. The official Subaru filter US dealer parts counters supply is the shorter blue filter manufactured by Fram.
If so, that would be another interesting observation, now that you've cut the original filter open--how does the black filter differ from the blue filter, or the Wix filter you just installed?
None of my business but you might want to consider sticking with the Subaru filter while you are still in the warranty period. I believe that the OEM filter has a much higher spec for bypass pressure than typical aftermarket filters. (Although, need to check--Wix may have gone to the higher pressure for their filters intended for Subarus). Particularly because some examples of this FB25 engine in the first years after introduction have had oil consumption issues.
Well I just cut the filter and it was perfect...
Was the Factory filter you replaced the tall black Japanese-sourced one, like the one Subaru installs on the 2.5 N/A engine used in the Forester? AFAIK it is the same engine. The official Subaru filter US dealer parts counters supply is the shorter blue filter manufactured by Fram.
If so, that would be another interesting observation, now that you've cut the original filter open--how does the black filter differ from the blue filter, or the Wix filter you just installed?
None of my business but you might want to consider sticking with the Subaru filter while you are still in the warranty period. I believe that the OEM filter has a much higher spec for bypass pressure than typical aftermarket filters. (Although, need to check--Wix may have gone to the higher pressure for their filters intended for Subarus). Particularly because some examples of this FB25 engine in the first years after introduction have had oil consumption issues.
You guys act like it's 1972 in regards to getting the metalz out of your enjuns!
Originally Posted By: Jack_Kieran
Please do get the UOA on the FF Subaru oil coming out on this early change, and post it as soon as you get it!
With such an early oil change, the UOA would reflect both early wear patterns on your engine, and what the true characteristics of the Subaru FF are. It is not necessarily the case that the FF oil is the same as what Subaru provides for regular changes. Is the FF even a 0w-20?
It will answer some open and important questions. Especially: how much moly is in the FF oil? Is it in fact different in that regard from the Idemitsu -supplied Mazda 0w-20? Is the FF oil different than what Subaru provides at the parts counter? (Would need an up-to-date VOA on the latter to compare; I haven't seen one posted here but maybe I missed it). How does the Subaru FF oil compare to other high-quality 0w-20 oils that an owner might choose?
If you really wanted to get into the scientific weeds and do a controlled experiment, you could get a UOA on the RP you just put in after a putting in matching 782 miles on it, to compare the RP performance relating to wear with the performance of the FF oil. Inquiring minds would like to know!
A factory fill uoa will reflect early wear patterns in an engine? Really? Great uoa article here.
I'd skip the factory fill uoa as you can just search one and they're basically all the same, especially over the last year or two.
A FF uoa will not tell you how much moly is in the factory fill oil since there is a bit of moly in the assembly lube as well. Over the past couple of years, the moly and ZDDP levels in Subaru 0W20 and the 5W30 in the WRX has dropped a bit and only the STI FF uoa's continue to show high moly and ZDDP (if the uoa's are accurate, that is).
Originally Posted By: Jack_Kieran
Please do get the UOA on the FF Subaru oil coming out on this early change, and post it as soon as you get it!
With such an early oil change, the UOA would reflect both early wear patterns on your engine, and what the true characteristics of the Subaru FF are. It is not necessarily the case that the FF oil is the same as what Subaru provides for regular changes. Is the FF even a 0w-20?
It will answer some open and important questions. Especially: how much moly is in the FF oil? Is it in fact different in that regard from the Idemitsu -supplied Mazda 0w-20? Is the FF oil different than what Subaru provides at the parts counter? (Would need an up-to-date VOA on the latter to compare; I haven't seen one posted here but maybe I missed it). How does the Subaru FF oil compare to other high-quality 0w-20 oils that an owner might choose?
If you really wanted to get into the scientific weeds and do a controlled experiment, you could get a UOA on the RP you just put in after a putting in matching 782 miles on it, to compare the RP performance relating to wear with the performance of the FF oil. Inquiring minds would like to know!
A factory fill uoa will reflect early wear patterns in an engine? Really? Great uoa article here.
I'd skip the factory fill uoa as you can just search one and they're basically all the same, especially over the last year or two.
A FF uoa will not tell you how much moly is in the factory fill oil since there is a bit of moly in the assembly lube as well. Over the past couple of years, the moly and ZDDP levels in Subaru 0W20 and the 5W30 in the WRX has dropped a bit and only the STI FF uoa's continue to show high moly and ZDDP (if the uoa's are accurate, that is).
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