2016 Civic Type R FK2 K20C1 - Honda Engine Type 2.0 0W20 - 2743 km Race track

[2EHA]

Mobil 1 esp x3 0w40 with Porsche C40? Or Mobil 1 fs 0w40? I don’t need Castrol , lovely mobil 1

esp x3 will in theory reduce intake valve deposits in a GDI only engine. new life 0w40 is a major TBN overdose. it has significantly more SA and an absolutely obscene amount of calcium

 

[edyvw]

esp x3 will in theory reduce intake valve deposits in a GDI only engine. new life 0w40 is a major TBN overdose. it has significantly more SA and an absolutely obscene amount of calcium

Yep. If he is shooting for most “greasy” oil M1 New Life 0W40 is best bet.
But, I am not big fan of this oil in DI engines precisely bcs. of that. I used it on track in BMW, but it is port injection.
OP, does your engine have port injection too or it’s only direct injection?

 

[BMW Dom]

I don’t need Castrol , lovely mobil 1

Huh?

 

[CarfriendXX]

It is only direct injection. In Germany many people say to me I should use Amsoil signature series. It has a new formulation against LSPI und both specifications ( ACEA A5/API SP ). Other people say no 0w engine oil, because we don’t need this here, only in hard winter.
Mobil 1 ESP LV 0W30 is a Good Engine oil for me because it has ACEA c2 and ACEA a5, low tbn, perfect for my 5000 intervals. The decision is not very easy…

 

[CarfriendXX]

Thanks for your recommendations. This week I would take my engine power up to 370ps/500nm ( at stock 310ps/400nm ). Now I have ordered Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 ( API SN ACEA C2/C3 504/00 507/00)
I think that is a good option. Thanks

 

[Bjornviken]

Thanks for your recommendations. This week I would take my engine power up to 370ps/500nm ( at stock 310ps/400nm ). Now I have ordered Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 ( API SN ACEA C2/C3 504/00 507/00)
I think that is a good option. Thanks

Its one of the best modern oils on the market

 

[edyvw]

Thanks for your recommendations. This week I would take my engine power up to 370ps/500nm ( at stock 310ps/400nm ). Now I have ordered Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 ( API SN ACEA C2/C3 504/00 507/00)
I think that is a good option. Thanks

That is it! Stay with that oil. M1 ESP 3W30 is MB229.52 and that specification has an LSPI test.

 

[CarfriendXX]

Really? I didn’t know that, thanks. In some German forums they talk about, why we should use a low saps engine oil and no full saps for those high performance engines.
of they did not know what it is a direct injection engine? The Honda oem Engine Type 2.0 is a „low saps“ too, it hast only 1300zddp, 1600zddp from this Mobil 1 is then more than enough…

Here is a very friendly forum, thanks for your information and help!!

 

[edyvw]

Really? I didn’t know that, thanks. In some German forums they talk about, why we should use a low saps engine oil and no full saps for those high performance engines.
of they did not know what it is a direct injection engine? The Honda oem Engine Type 2.0 is a „low saps“ too, it hast only 1300zddp, 1600zddp from this Mobil 1 is then more than enough…

Here is a very friendly forum, thanks for your information and help!!

1300ZDDP? Zinc is measured separately and in Low-SAPS oil it usually peaks at 900ppm. Reason why you should use Low-SAPS is:
1. It is direct injection engine. Some studies suggest less carbon build up on intake valves using these low-SAPS oils.
2. they prolong life of GPF.
3. Turbos like them as they have less sulphuric compounds.
4. in case there is consumption, they pollute catalytic converters less.

 

[CarfriendXX]

Sorry, I mean 750zink and 600 phosphorus, sorry. I have no GPF, but the other arguments are good and important to use this engine oil.
If I had more power, you do not think I should use 5w50? This is too much? A very big type r tuner , which makes many fk2r and fk8 , says that this is best for this engine, I don’t think do, what do YouTube Think?

 

[edyvw]

Sorry, I mean 750zink and 600 phosphorus, sorry. I have no GPF, but the other arguments are good and important to use this engine oil.
If I had more power, you do not think I should use 5w50? This is too much? A very big type r tuner , which makes many fk2r and fk8 , says that this is best for this engine, I don’t think do, what do YouTube Think?

5W50 would be good if you go ethanol route. Everything depends on your oil temperature. If temperature keeps staying in 124c area, this 5W30 is ok. You might bump to 0W40 ESP X3. If oil temperatures shoot up bcs. tune, I would rather go bigger oil cooler than thicker oil.

 

[CarfriendXX]

Morning I got new software and next week I will install the Wagner intercooler. Then I went to the DYno and looking forward to my new hp.

 

[edyvw]

Morning I got new software and next week I will install the Wagner intercooler. Then I went to the DYno and looking forward to my new hp.

One thing: do you have radiator-type oil cooler?

 

[CarfriendXX]

One thingr: do you have radiator-type oil cooler?

No. I will only install a Wagner intercooler, no oil cooler. The type r has oem no oil cooler for engine, only for the transmission. Why ? Do you think this engine oil is not good enough?

 

[edyvw]

No. I will only install a Wagner intercooler, no oil cooler. The type r has oem no oil cooler for engine, only for the transmission. Why ? Do you think this engine oil is not good enough?

Oil is good enough, but you really want an oil cooler for track purposes. Tune will strain the engine more. Oil will take a beating, but as your temperature increases, ECU might pull back timing and performance will suffer.
Also, if oil temperature starts going above 135c, you might consider thicker oil, but that will have a negative impact on performance. An oil cooler will keep your temperature in check, and allow you to run 5W30 which is not overly thick nor thin.
This is what Mishimoto sells in the US:

Direct-Fit Oil Cooler Kit, fits Honda Civic Type R 2017-2021

Nothing puts a damper on a day at the track with your 2017-2021 Honda Civic Type R quite like cutting your track time short due to overheating. It's no secret now that the FK8 struggles to keep the temperatures of its fluids at the correct level. We here at Mishimoto decided to take some of the...

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According to them, Type-R has fluid to the fluid heat exchanger. That is not surprising. It is a good solution for the street as the coolant warms up faster than oil, so a heat exchanger like that will warm up oil faster. But it is limited on track. On track, you really want a radiator-type oil cooler.
The thing is, once you tune vehicle the cost goes up bcs. other parts have to support that power gain.

 

[CarfriendXX]

I think I do not often drive on racetrack. Here and there fun on street without „escalations“. Nordschleife maybe 1-2 round the year. You are right, if the type r often na sling drive on track, the engine will do not give the perfect power.
Do you think I need another engine oil for the 375hp and 500nm for street, if I take no oil cooler in it? I don’t want take more parts in this car , only more horsepower and the Wagner intercooler. Racetrack not more in the future.

 

[edyvw]

I think I do not often drive on racetrack. Here and there fun on street without „escalations“. Nordschleife maybe 1-2 round the year. You are right, if the type r often na sling drive on track, the engine will do not give the perfect power.
Do you think I need another engine oil for the 375hp and 500nm for street, if I take no oil cooler in it? I don’t want take more parts in this car , only more horsepower and the Wagner intercooler. Racetrack not more in the future.

Here is the thing, you can go thicker if oil temperature increases with tune, but two things will happen:
1. Thicker oil means more heat. So you might increase temperature. Yes, you will have more protection in case oil temperature goes haywire around journal bearings etc.
2. Thicker oil won't help you with the fact that if you have an excessive temperature, ECU will pull back timing.
Basically, you will pay to go on track and not being able to utilize full power.
There is some go around:
That track is not at a high altitude, so no issue with air density. You can dilute coolant to 80% distilled water 20% coolant. That will allow better heat exchange through a coolant radiator.
Run heat in the vehicle (absolutely no A/C) at MAX full fan strength. That might cut it in case you see oil temperatures go up more than 130c.

 

[CarfriendXX]

today I have e new engine setup on my type r. I don’t find it a Good one, so Friday I become an update from this tuner. Today I have on the dyno 340 ps and 431nm. That’s not enough, my car will only push 1.6 bar . 1.7-1.8 ist gods for this car. Next week I will install a Wagner intercooler.
Some people said to me I should use a thicker base oil like Amsoil signature series 10w30. What are you thinking about this? They say that the noack of 4.1 is unbelievable good. I think this aber a full saps and not right for my car…??

 

[CarfriendXX]

Today I have tuned up my car and changed the engine oil with help from oil machine ( I don’t know this Name in English ) . I have Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 now in it.
Here you can see my dyno result.

 

[Dogman]

Why is the calcium higher in the uoa compared to the voa?