2015 F-150 at Detroit Auto Show

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My 8 year old aluminum hood and trunk lid are just fine, thank you. No problems with paint even after 1000 washes and tons of Florida bugs and stones.

Ford despeartely needed a diet anyway, as their pickups were several hundred pounds heavier than GM when optioned similarly...
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Is 30mpg reasonable? It's still pushing a barn door through the air. Would be great if true. But I can hear the complaints about how it still gets 16mpg.

I got bored today, and took a look at a local dealer at the F150. I think the lowest price was 40k, forget if extended cab or crew. I doubt the roi is there.


I'll believe it when I see that 30mpg.

Weight has more of an effect on city mpg, then on highway mpg, that's more aerodynamics.
 
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
Would never by the turbo V6, but the aluminum frame and body I like. I spec aluminum as much as possible on my commercial vehicles. I would welcome more, or even all aluminum on a production pickup. As long as you don't wreck it, it would last longer than steel and the vehicle would not turn into a rust bucket. Aluminum throughout, and stainless where you can't. Now if the OEM's would get off the turbo V motor kick and start offering blower setups. I like turbos on inlines, but prefer blowers on V motors. Just me.

As far as any paint adhesion problem on aluminum, give one of the heavy truck manufacturers a call. They seem to have figured this out a long, long time ago.


What do you have against the ecoboost?
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
My 8 year old aluminum hood and trunk lid are just fine, thank you. No problems with paint even after 1000 washes and tons of Florida bugs and stones.

Ford despeartely needed a diet anyway, as their pickups were several hundred pounds heavier than GM when optioned similarly...


We only started to get some chipping/adhesion issues on the front of the Expedition's hood last year (it is a 2002). It is about a 1x1" area and when I took it to the body shop to get an estimate on repair they said the whole hood, being aluminum, would need to be completely stripped and re-painted.
 
Wouldnt this really make the truck that much more expensive? Aluminum is expensive compared to steel.

I have say the styling on all the new trucks from all brands is pretty dang ugly to me. All the new tech and awesome interiors still doesnt make me want to look at something that ugly in my driveway!
 
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Yawn another bloated $50k boat.

The 30mpg figure is probably for the 2wd, 6ft bed regular cab base truck.

Big 4wd trucks burn fuel, it takes energy to move mass.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2


Not sure I understand why rivets are used. Instead of moving a tiny bit of electricity, now more pieces and fixtures are needed. Maybe because repair is easier? (Drill out the rivet)


I wonder that myself. Although 4000 rivets is a near trivial matter. A far cry from the 2.1 million rivets on modern corporate jets. They do buck quickly. And, many can be automatically installed with auto riveting machines.
 
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
I like it. It looks cool and kudos to Ford for continuing their innovative designs. Turbo V6's, aluminum bodies, pushing 30MPG - what more do you guys want?!?!

Regarding size, except for the Raptor, full size trucks have been 79-80 inches wide forever. No change there!



A simple work truck that doesn't cost $80,000 and have more technology than your average Lexus.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
I like it. It looks cool and kudos to Ford for continuing their innovative designs. Turbo V6's, aluminum bodies, pushing 30MPG - what more do you guys want?!?!

Regarding size, except for the Raptor, full size trucks have been 79-80 inches wide forever. No change there!



A simple work truck that doesn't cost $80,000 and have more technology than your average Lexus.


You can get a STX 4WD ex-cab 5.0L F150 for $36-$38K well equipped. No need for the Mac daddy.
 
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
I like it. It looks cool and kudos to Ford for continuing their innovative designs. Turbo V6's, aluminum bodies, pushing 30MPG - what more do you guys want?!?!

Regarding size, except for the Raptor, full size trucks have been 79-80 inches wide forever. No change there!



A simple work truck that doesn't cost $80,000 and have more technology than your average Lexus.


You can get a STX 4WD ex-cab 5.0L F150 for $36-$38K well equipped. No need for the Mac daddy.


That's the problem. $40K for a truck is too much.

My dad paid $27K for his 01 F350. Base model. You couldn't even buy that truck today if you wanted to.

I *do* like how "RAM" has the tradesman model. As much as I'm not a fan of Chrysler products, a "ram" tradesman would be pretty high up in trucks if I was buying a brand new truck.

Vinyl seats, no fancy radios, etc.
 
Man, look at the price of new cars. Trucks have stayed pretty steady considering. We looked at a new 4dr Wrangler - $35K. New Taurus - $30K, new Impala - $30K. There really are no more "econo" boxes either. A decently equipped Corolla is almost $20K. A stripped Fiesta is $15K!
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
My dad paid $27K for his 01 F350. Base model. You couldn't even buy that truck today if you wanted to.


A 2014 F350 XL 2WD is $31K. A 4WD is almost $33.5K. Not too bad. Adjusting for inflation and it's cheaper than what your dad paid in '01.
 
I got lucky when I paid under 13k for the tundra DC in my sig. That truck today even at its miles sells for more than I paid. And I like it's relatively conservative styling.... newer --it's very frustrating -- the bloat -- the "I've got bigger testicles!" styling....

My 06 is a bit tall, bed height is a little cumbersome, but besides that it's just about everything i need. Pulls the camper, commutes to work. interior is spartan, push/pull cables still control the hvac (they froze solid last week). About the only "accessory" is that the back window rolls down, and I use it like that daily 3 seasons per year.

I would pay reasonable $ for better fuel economy, but I couldn't even fathom buying anything new these days-- the prices are so dang high. If this one quit, I'd be looking at something else from early 00's and 100k. maybe a dodge diesel. Frustrating that they are such status symbols because when you actually need one, they aren't affordable. Maybe in a few years a used ecoboost V6 might be in the equation, but I want this one to roll into the 200,000 territory before I even consider shopping... kids' college is coming up soon. The cost of new vehicles, and even used ones, is high enough that the thoughts of things like transmission rebuilds, fuel pumps, etc., are pretty attractive.
 
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Nice truck.

I'll believe 30MPG when I see it. And seeing it 6 months after released and hopefully folks not complaining to EPA that its not really getting it 30MPG.

A good sample of marketing EPA figures was their CMAX offering with a 7MPG drop in highway MPG from the illusion Ford put out there.
 
Originally Posted By: meep
I got lucky when I paid under 13k for the tundra DC in my sig. That truck today even at its miles sells for more than I paid. And I like it's relatively conservative styling.... newer --it's very frustrating -- the bloat -- the "I've got bigger testicles!" styling....


I don't think you can compare your '06 to new. The previous gen Tundra was more like a 7/8 full size truck.


Regarding big and bloating - come on guys!

Google a 1960 Ford F100 or Chevy front grill (especially the Chebby). Full size trucks have typically ALWAYS had monster front ends!
 
Its going to be interesting to see how Ford competes with the base trucks.

Fleet specials are around $19k regardless of manufacture.
 
The rivets are used to hold the pieces in position while the glue sets. AFAIK, they are not structural.

This is not new technology. They began manufacturing Xj series Jaguars in this manner in 2004. I bought ours in 2004 and have had zero issues with the car. It's construction was state of the art then, and still is. Welded steel is stone age technology. The downside is you can't take one to Bubba's body shop, not that anybody would want to.

The bonded aluminum structure is vastly more rigid and lighter than a conventional welded bead or spot welded steel structure. It is immediately apparent when you drive a car constructed with this technology. Our full size luxury car only weighs about 3300 pounds with a V8 engine.

It is such a vastly superior way to manufacture a product that I am shocked Ford has taken so long to implement this manufacturing method in other products.
 
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