I imagine the cost of accident repairs will skyrocket on these.
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Originally Posted By: Win
Our full size luxury car only weighs about 3300 pounds with a V8 engine.
An '04 4.2L XJ8's curb weight is about 3800 lbs. Fully dressed, it's two ton's of fun.
Our full size luxury car only weighs about 3300 pounds with a V8 engine.
An '04 4.2L XJ8's curb weight is about 3800 lbs. Fully dressed, it's two ton's of fun.
The drivers handbook lists the normally aspirated base model at 3560 lbs curb weight and the supercharged model at 3671 lbs curb weight.
See page 8.2, 2004 Xj Drivers handbook.
So my memory was off a couple of hundred pounds after a decade.
See page 8.2, 2004 Xj Drivers handbook.
So my memory was off a couple of hundred pounds after a decade.
Good thing they used Aluminum.
Originally Posted By: D189379
I imagine the cost of accident repairs will skyrocket on these.
Even steel is not just steel anymore, it is HSS (High Strength Steel), UHSS (Ultra HSS), Boron Steel and lord only knows what else is coming down the pipe...
Repairability has been going down as technology progresses and even the US auto makers are starting to say they are going to run certification programs for repair of certain cars.
Aluminum body structure isn't even close to new ...
I imagine the cost of accident repairs will skyrocket on these.
Even steel is not just steel anymore, it is HSS (High Strength Steel), UHSS (Ultra HSS), Boron Steel and lord only knows what else is coming down the pipe...
Repairability has been going down as technology progresses and even the US auto makers are starting to say they are going to run certification programs for repair of certain cars.
Aluminum body structure isn't even close to new ...
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Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Just as a reminder... here's what a 3/4 ton truck looked like 40 years ago.
Now there is a real truck!
As for the 2015 f-150? It would be disgraceful to even call that hideous blob a truck. I think ford just won "Ugliest truck" award....way to go ford!
It's not bad looking. The new Tundra looks hideous.
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Just as a reminder... here's what a 3/4 ton truck looked like 40 years ago.
Now there is a real truck!
It's not bad looking. The new Tundra looks hideous.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Regarding big and bloating - come on guys!
Google a 1960 Ford F100 or Chevy front grill (especially the Chebby). Full size trucks have typically ALWAYS had monster front ends!
No, not like this.
Yes, trucks were gaudy in the 1950s and early 60s. So was everything else in America.
I guess that is how it is going now, but it is a real shame when trucks were getting so good and so refined for what they were. Manufacturers made leaps and bounds as far as combining comfort with utility through the '80s and '90s, then around the mid 2000s it was like "hey, how can we make this a megatron Power Wheels with a jumbotron on the dash? Someone go get a can of silver interior paint and lots of plastic."
I drive 1/2 ton trucks of all ages all the time. I have to say, trucks from 10+ years ago DO feel and seem more appropriately sized and styled than the current ones. You can reach in the bed. You can get in and out of the cab without a mega power step having to deploy when you open the door. There is no "doo doo doooo doo doo dooooo doo doo dooooo" when you turn the key because there is no jumbotron on the dash that has to boot up and make lots of noises so you know it's there.
Modern pickups have become totally, completely absurd.
This is a good looking pickup:
And they were plenty durable and tough too, without looking completely freaking ridiculous. I know because I see them daily, and drive them almost daily.
Seriously, no joke, having driven both, I would take a 1993 F-150 over a 2013 F-150. All the noises, the jumbotron on the dash, the ridiculous styling, insane bed and step in height, etc. just ruin it for me. The new F-150 might do a better job of meeting NVH objectives, but the old one has a MUCH better feel to it. Even the solid Lincoln Town Car-like click the exterior door handles make when you push the button in on a '92-'96 is reproduced NOWHERE on the modern ones. Nothing looks or feels like that anymore. It's all plastic, dinging and donging chimes, and the jumbotron.
Regarding big and bloating - come on guys!
Google a 1960 Ford F100 or Chevy front grill (especially the Chebby). Full size trucks have typically ALWAYS had monster front ends!
No, not like this.
Yes, trucks were gaudy in the 1950s and early 60s. So was everything else in America.
I guess that is how it is going now, but it is a real shame when trucks were getting so good and so refined for what they were. Manufacturers made leaps and bounds as far as combining comfort with utility through the '80s and '90s, then around the mid 2000s it was like "hey, how can we make this a megatron Power Wheels with a jumbotron on the dash? Someone go get a can of silver interior paint and lots of plastic."
I drive 1/2 ton trucks of all ages all the time. I have to say, trucks from 10+ years ago DO feel and seem more appropriately sized and styled than the current ones. You can reach in the bed. You can get in and out of the cab without a mega power step having to deploy when you open the door. There is no "doo doo doooo doo doo dooooo doo doo dooooo" when you turn the key because there is no jumbotron on the dash that has to boot up and make lots of noises so you know it's there.
Modern pickups have become totally, completely absurd.
This is a good looking pickup:
And they were plenty durable and tough too, without looking completely freaking ridiculous. I know because I see them daily, and drive them almost daily.
Seriously, no joke, having driven both, I would take a 1993 F-150 over a 2013 F-150. All the noises, the jumbotron on the dash, the ridiculous styling, insane bed and step in height, etc. just ruin it for me. The new F-150 might do a better job of meeting NVH objectives, but the old one has a MUCH better feel to it. Even the solid Lincoln Town Car-like click the exterior door handles make when you push the button in on a '92-'96 is reproduced NOWHERE on the modern ones. Nothing looks or feels like that anymore. It's all plastic, dinging and donging chimes, and the jumbotron.
In 1993 a short bed F-150 XL, comparable to a base model 2013, has a MSRP of $15,600, adjusted for 20 years inflation that's $25,000. A 2013 base model F-150 XL is $24,500.
In 1993 the median income was $30,000 and a new XL was 52% of that figure. In 2012 the median income was $50,000 and a new XL was 50% of that figure.
You could buy a truck with less features in 1993 but they were not "less expensive" when you compare them with similar options.
In 1993 the median income was $30,000 and a new XL was 52% of that figure. In 2012 the median income was $50,000 and a new XL was 50% of that figure.
You could buy a truck with less features in 1993 but they were not "less expensive" when you compare them with similar options.
It's not the price that bothers me, it's the whole package.
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Regarding big and bloating - come on guys!
Google a 1960 Ford F100 or Chevy front grill (especially the Chebby). Full size trucks have typically ALWAYS had monster front ends!
No, not like this.
Yes, trucks were gaudy in the 1950s and early 60s. So was everything else in America.
I guess that is how it is going now, but it is a real shame when trucks were getting so good and so refined for what they were. Manufacturers made leaps and bounds as far as combining comfort with utility through the '80s and '90s, then around the mid 2000s it was like "hey, how can we make this a megatron Power Wheels with a jumbotron on the dash? Someone go get a can of silver interior paint and lots of plastic."
I drive 1/2 ton trucks of all ages all the time. I have to say, trucks from 10+ years ago DO feel and seem more appropriately sized and styled than the current ones. You can reach in the bed. You can get in and out of the cab without a mega power step having to deploy when you open the door. There is no "doo doo doooo doo doo dooooo doo doo dooooo" when you turn the key because there is no jumbotron on the dash that has to boot up and make lots of noises so you know it's there.
Modern pickups have become totally, completely absurd.
This is a good looking pickup:
And they were plenty durable and tough too, without looking completely freaking ridiculous. I know because I see them daily, and drive them almost daily.
Seriously, no joke, having driven both, I would take a 1993 F-150 over a 2013 F-150. All the noises, the jumbotron on the dash, the ridiculous styling, insane bed and step in height, etc. just ruin it for me. The new F-150 might do a better job of meeting NVH objectives, but the old one has a MUCH better feel to it. Even the solid Lincoln Town Car-like click the exterior door handles make when you push the button in on a '92-'96 is reproduced NOWHERE on the modern ones. Nothing looks or feels like that anymore. It's all plastic, dinging and donging chimes, and the jumbotron.
Yup nice truck, looks like my '96 but mine has the two tone silver down the sides...
I can fully agree on every point... I despise the new pickups more every year, absolutely hideous...
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Regarding big and bloating - come on guys!
Google a 1960 Ford F100 or Chevy front grill (especially the Chebby). Full size trucks have typically ALWAYS had monster front ends!
No, not like this.
Yes, trucks were gaudy in the 1950s and early 60s. So was everything else in America.
I guess that is how it is going now, but it is a real shame when trucks were getting so good and so refined for what they were. Manufacturers made leaps and bounds as far as combining comfort with utility through the '80s and '90s, then around the mid 2000s it was like "hey, how can we make this a megatron Power Wheels with a jumbotron on the dash? Someone go get a can of silver interior paint and lots of plastic."
I drive 1/2 ton trucks of all ages all the time. I have to say, trucks from 10+ years ago DO feel and seem more appropriately sized and styled than the current ones. You can reach in the bed. You can get in and out of the cab without a mega power step having to deploy when you open the door. There is no "doo doo doooo doo doo dooooo doo doo dooooo" when you turn the key because there is no jumbotron on the dash that has to boot up and make lots of noises so you know it's there.
Modern pickups have become totally, completely absurd.
This is a good looking pickup:
And they were plenty durable and tough too, without looking completely freaking ridiculous. I know because I see them daily, and drive them almost daily.
Seriously, no joke, having driven both, I would take a 1993 F-150 over a 2013 F-150. All the noises, the jumbotron on the dash, the ridiculous styling, insane bed and step in height, etc. just ruin it for me. The new F-150 might do a better job of meeting NVH objectives, but the old one has a MUCH better feel to it. Even the solid Lincoln Town Car-like click the exterior door handles make when you push the button in on a '92-'96 is reproduced NOWHERE on the modern ones. Nothing looks or feels like that anymore. It's all plastic, dinging and donging chimes, and the jumbotron.
Yup nice truck, looks like my '96 but mine has the two tone silver down the sides...
I can fully agree on every point... I despise the new pickups more every year, absolutely hideous...
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Modern pickups have become totally, completely absurd.
This is a good looking pickup:
And they were plenty durable and tough too, without looking completely freaking ridiculous. I know because I see them daily, and drive them almost daily.
You know, I'd have to say, I do like the looks of that now. I don't think it'd do well stretched out into a four door, and I suspect I'd abhor the interior: but it does look good.
Modern pickups have become totally, completely absurd.
This is a good looking pickup:
And they were plenty durable and tough too, without looking completely freaking ridiculous. I know because I see them daily, and drive them almost daily.
You know, I'd have to say, I do like the looks of that now. I don't think it'd do well stretched out into a four door, and I suspect I'd abhor the interior: but it does look good.
How about a delorean-esque stainless steel truck?
This is a 1995, pretty consistent compared to modern ones... Still bigger today and more upgrades in comparison to new and older dodges.
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Originally Posted By: GumbyJarvis
This is a 1995, pretty consistent compared to modern ones... Still bigger today and more upgrades in comparison to new and older dodges.
Full size trucks have been roughly the same size for 40-50+ years.
Take a look at a '60 Power Wagon crew cab. It would dwarf a '95 1/2 ton Ram.
A friend of mine bought a late 70's Chevy 1 ton dually crew cab 4wd. It's just as big as any modern dually, except maybe the F450 - but that's a niche market truck.
This is a 1995, pretty consistent compared to modern ones... Still bigger today and more upgrades in comparison to new and older dodges.
Full size trucks have been roughly the same size for 40-50+ years.
Take a look at a '60 Power Wagon crew cab. It would dwarf a '95 1/2 ton Ram.
A friend of mine bought a late 70's Chevy 1 ton dually crew cab 4wd. It's just as big as any modern dually, except maybe the F450 - but that's a niche market truck.
To me....the GMC's and Chevy's don't really feel like a truck. I mean, they ride like a Cadillac. Now the Fords, that's a truck. Around this part of the world there are two kinds of truck people. The weekend warroirs, boat owners and hobbyist all drive GMCs or Chevy's. Then there are the worker guys, the ones that use their truck for a living, to include farmers, all drive Fords.
Those 90's Fords with the I6 were very nice trucks.
Only downside is they drank fuel, but it was $1 a gallon so no one cared.
Only downside is they drank fuel, but it was $1 a gallon so no one cared.
Originally Posted By: Zaedock
Originally Posted By: meep
I got lucky when I paid under 13k for the tundra DC in my sig. That truck today even at its miles sells for more than I paid. And I like it's relatively conservative styling.... newer --it's very frustrating -- the bloat -- the "I've got bigger testicles!" styling....
I don't think you can compare your '06 to new. The previous gen Tundra was more like a 7/8 full size truck.
Regarding big and bloating - come on guys!
Google a 1960 Ford F100 or Chevy front grill (especially the Chebby). Full size trucks have typically ALWAYS had monster front ends!
A friend of mine traded his '91 2WD Extended cab GMC for an '11 2WD extended cab GMC. He took the camper top off the 91 and bolted it right up to the 11. They really haven't changed sizes much in thirty years. Our waistbands may bloat, but half ton trucks stay about the same size and about the same price. They are a commodity item.
Originally Posted By: meep
I got lucky when I paid under 13k for the tundra DC in my sig. That truck today even at its miles sells for more than I paid. And I like it's relatively conservative styling.... newer --it's very frustrating -- the bloat -- the "I've got bigger testicles!" styling....
I don't think you can compare your '06 to new. The previous gen Tundra was more like a 7/8 full size truck.
Regarding big and bloating - come on guys!
Google a 1960 Ford F100 or Chevy front grill (especially the Chebby). Full size trucks have typically ALWAYS had monster front ends!
A friend of mine traded his '91 2WD Extended cab GMC for an '11 2WD extended cab GMC. He took the camper top off the 91 and bolted it right up to the 11. They really haven't changed sizes much in thirty years. Our waistbands may bloat, but half ton trucks stay about the same size and about the same price. They are a commodity item.
Originally Posted By: supton
and I suspect I'd abhor the interior: but it does look good.
You might be surprised. I really liked the interior on that generation. It was plain and no-nonsense in appearance, but highly functional and sturdy, and everything had a nice solid feel. Metal door handles, metal door lock pins, metal seat belt buckles, etc. The split bench seat available in upper trim levels was pretty nice too with a really functional console/armrest. The optional bucket seats were nice too. It really is a nice interior. Also, while kind of trivial, the doors on those trucks are awesome. The click when you open them is like something from an old American luxury car. Assuming the hinge pins are good, they have a nice solid feel when you close them too. It just has a feel to it that's not found in anything you can buy new today.
and I suspect I'd abhor the interior: but it does look good.
You might be surprised. I really liked the interior on that generation. It was plain and no-nonsense in appearance, but highly functional and sturdy, and everything had a nice solid feel. Metal door handles, metal door lock pins, metal seat belt buckles, etc. The split bench seat available in upper trim levels was pretty nice too with a really functional console/armrest. The optional bucket seats were nice too. It really is a nice interior. Also, while kind of trivial, the doors on those trucks are awesome. The click when you open them is like something from an old American luxury car. Assuming the hinge pins are good, they have a nice solid feel when you close them too. It just has a feel to it that's not found in anything you can buy new today.
Do you guys think the insurance will be higher on these 2015 Beercan F150's since the body shops will have to learn different procedures to repair which may be very high.
I was reading the rivet system is structural and they bond with special adhesives.
Also the 2015 will only be about 250 lbs lighter than a comparable 2014 Sileverado.
I was reading the rivet system is structural and they bond with special adhesives.
Also the 2015 will only be about 250 lbs lighter than a comparable 2014 Sileverado.
Originally Posted By: Schmoe
To me....the GMC's and Chevy's don't really feel like a truck. I mean, they ride like a Cadillac. Now the Fords, that's a truck. Around this part of the world there are two kinds of truck people. The weekend warroirs, boat owners and hobbyist all drive GMCs or Chevy's. Then there are the worker guys, the ones that use their truck for a living, to include farmers, all drive Fords.
That's funny. My GMC rides more like a truck than my F150 did. My Land Rover beat them both with F/R Solid axles.
Quit being a fanboy. You make Ford owners look clueless.
I bet if someone actually did the statistics. Weekend warriors to workers. It would be pretty darn close for both GMC/Chevy vs Ford.
For what it's worth.. There are more Land Rover 'work' trucks in more countries than both Ford/Chevy/GMC.
To me....the GMC's and Chevy's don't really feel like a truck. I mean, they ride like a Cadillac. Now the Fords, that's a truck. Around this part of the world there are two kinds of truck people. The weekend warroirs, boat owners and hobbyist all drive GMCs or Chevy's. Then there are the worker guys, the ones that use their truck for a living, to include farmers, all drive Fords.
That's funny. My GMC rides more like a truck than my F150 did. My Land Rover beat them both with F/R Solid axles.
Quit being a fanboy. You make Ford owners look clueless.
I bet if someone actually did the statistics. Weekend warriors to workers. It would be pretty darn close for both GMC/Chevy vs Ford.
For what it's worth.. There are more Land Rover 'work' trucks in more countries than both Ford/Chevy/GMC.
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