Is the vcm Honda issue more recent? My sis in law did little but 5k-8k oil changes from 25k to 155k on a 2008 ody ex-l and never an issue except electric doors. She never touched plugs, timing belt or engine. I feel bad for the sap who get this can next which she got 6k trade in on.
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Google Honda Odyssey VCM and engine mount issues, its well known. Some people get away with it because of the conditions they operate the vehicle under but a lot of people have big problems.
The VCM breaks the mount, it shows up as vibration in eco mode.
The problem is ongoing, the dealer keeps a good supply in stock at over $650 ea for the front and rear + labor, the ones on the side and trans are cheaper.
Just to start you off..
http://repairpal.com/vibration-caused-by-failed-rear-engine-mount-552#
http://www.hondaproblems.com/trends/excessive-oil-consumption/
The VCM breaks the mount, it shows up as vibration in eco mode.
The problem is ongoing, the dealer keeps a good supply in stock at over $650 ea for the front and rear + labor, the ones on the side and trans are cheaper.
Just to start you off..
http://repairpal.com/vibration-caused-by-failed-rear-engine-mount-552#
http://www.hondaproblems.com/trends/excessive-oil-consumption/
My folks have almost 50k highway miles on their 2014 MDX, which I think has the second generation VCM engine in it (also direct injected). So far, so good with theirs. Dad has the oil changed every 5k miles, regardless of the MM %, and uses the recommended 0W-20 oil.
Holy carp - $46k minivans! Must be the wife's car when dad drives his $50k truck.
Buy the cheapest new one you can and let the kids have at it. Who cares when it gets spilled/puked in, at least. So definitely go for a new Caravan. Hopefully you can find a leftover 2015 or some crazy deal.
Buy the cheapest new one you can and let the kids have at it. Who cares when it gets spilled/puked in, at least. So definitely go for a new Caravan. Hopefully you can find a leftover 2015 or some crazy deal.
Originally Posted By: Trav
Google Honda Odyssey VCM and engine mount issues, its well known. Some people get away with it because of the conditions they operate the vehicle under but a lot of people have big problems.
The VCM breaks the mount, it shows up as vibration in eco mode.
The problem is ongoing, the dealer keeps a good supply in stock at over $650 ea for the front and rear + labor, the ones on the side and trans are cheaper.
Just to start you off..
http://repairpal.com/vibration-caused-by-failed-rear-engine-mount-552#
http://www.hondaproblems.com/trends/excessive-oil-consumption/
Wait you mean a honda has a problem.
You would think every subaru blows a headgasket bi-yearly and drinks oil at 1qt/1000miles from reading bitog
Meanwhile every honda makes it to 380,000 miles with oil changes and tires.
/sarcasm off.
Google Honda Odyssey VCM and engine mount issues, its well known. Some people get away with it because of the conditions they operate the vehicle under but a lot of people have big problems.
The VCM breaks the mount, it shows up as vibration in eco mode.
The problem is ongoing, the dealer keeps a good supply in stock at over $650 ea for the front and rear + labor, the ones on the side and trans are cheaper.
Just to start you off..
http://repairpal.com/vibration-caused-by-failed-rear-engine-mount-552#
http://www.hondaproblems.com/trends/excessive-oil-consumption/
Wait you mean a honda has a problem.
You would think every subaru blows a headgasket bi-yearly and drinks oil at 1qt/1000miles from reading bitog
Meanwhile every honda makes it to 380,000 miles with oil changes and tires.
/sarcasm off.
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Holy carp - $46k minivans! Must be the wife's car when dad drives his $50k truck.
Buy the cheapest new one you can and let the kids have at it. Who cares when it gets spilled/puked in, at least. So definitely go for a new Caravan. Hopefully you can find a leftover 2015 or some crazy deal.
I looked at all the brands of mini vans at the Utah auto show this past week. And yes, all the top of the line models were in the mid 40's from all the manufacturers...even KIA!
Holy carp - $46k minivans! Must be the wife's car when dad drives his $50k truck.
Buy the cheapest new one you can and let the kids have at it. Who cares when it gets spilled/puked in, at least. So definitely go for a new Caravan. Hopefully you can find a leftover 2015 or some crazy deal.
I looked at all the brands of mini vans at the Utah auto show this past week. And yes, all the top of the line models were in the mid 40's from all the manufacturers...even KIA!
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle. My Caravan has none of that wear and tear on the interior. Explains why that $46,000 van w/ 9000 miles was $26,999 thats awful depreciation.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
Originally Posted By: carguy996
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle. My Caravan has none of that wear and tear on the interior. Explains why that $46,000 van w/ 9000 miles was $26,999 thats awful depreciation.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
Took a trip to Yellowstone National Park this past September. I'm not sure which rental car company the Kia Sedonas belonged to-but it's quite obvious that they are running alot of them through rental agencies because they were all over that park. Maybe the one you looked at came from a similar situation.
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle. My Caravan has none of that wear and tear on the interior. Explains why that $46,000 van w/ 9000 miles was $26,999 thats awful depreciation.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
Took a trip to Yellowstone National Park this past September. I'm not sure which rental car company the Kia Sedonas belonged to-but it's quite obvious that they are running alot of them through rental agencies because they were all over that park. Maybe the one you looked at came from a similar situation.
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If you have kids, minivans are best bought used.
Depreciation + what kids do to them makes buying new a poor plan.
Let some other soccer mom take the hit on the depreciation of a minivan and buy up a good used one.
Depreciation + what kids do to them makes buying new a poor plan.
Let some other soccer mom take the hit on the depreciation of a minivan and buy up a good used one.
Originally Posted By: carguy996
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle. My Caravan has none of that wear and tear on the interior. Explains why that $46,000 van w/ 9000 miles was $26,999 thats awful depreciation.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
if you paid full sticker for a kia, i have some oceanfront property to also sell you in oklahoma. I am also in the camp that says a loaded minivan is an absolute waste of money, but we all enjoy our creature comforts weather they car cars, or other items.
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle. My Caravan has none of that wear and tear on the interior. Explains why that $46,000 van w/ 9000 miles was $26,999 thats awful depreciation.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
if you paid full sticker for a kia, i have some oceanfront property to also sell you in oklahoma. I am also in the camp that says a loaded minivan is an absolute waste of money, but we all enjoy our creature comforts weather they car cars, or other items.
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Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: carguy996
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle. My Caravan has none of that wear and tear on the interior. Explains why that $46,000 van w/ 9000 miles was $26,999 thats awful depreciation.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
if you paid full sticker for a kia, i have some oceanfront property to also sell you in oklahoma.
But there are not heavy rebates on them (Kia Sedonas) at present either. It looks to be $1,500.00 for non-KIA owners-at least in my area. They are apparently not selling well. That would account for probably the better part of the 50 or 60 vans I saw running around Yellowstone Nat'l Park that were from rental companies.
Originally Posted By: carguy996
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle. My Caravan has none of that wear and tear on the interior. Explains why that $46,000 van w/ 9000 miles was $26,999 thats awful depreciation.
I didnt think much about the VCM in the Odyssey. I did a Google search but cant seem to find many issues on the 2013-2016 Odyssey models, lots of complaints on the 2011 and 2012 models. Ive experienced issues with my Caravan that nobody that I know who has similar vans has ever experienced....I guess its a case of it only takes a few bad ones.
if you paid full sticker for a kia, i have some oceanfront property to also sell you in oklahoma.
But there are not heavy rebates on them (Kia Sedonas) at present either. It looks to be $1,500.00 for non-KIA owners-at least in my area. They are apparently not selling well. That would account for probably the better part of the 50 or 60 vans I saw running around Yellowstone Nat'l Park that were from rental companies.
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
We had a similar experience with a 2007 Town & Country. That should have been the most reliable option out there -- mature generation of chassis, etc. We dumped ours with 45k miles on it because of too much downtime.
And, to provide a alternate viewpoint, I conversed a lot with Jason prior to purchasing a 2007 Town and Country... so I could go into it with my eyes wide open.
My 2007 Town and Country, which I purchased used with 33,000 miles on it in 2011, was one of the most reliable vehicles that I've owned. It was never on the back of a tow truck while I owned it. The one unexpected failure that it did have, it was still drivable, and I was able to schedule the repair at my convenience.
We had a similar experience with a 2007 Town & Country. That should have been the most reliable option out there -- mature generation of chassis, etc. We dumped ours with 45k miles on it because of too much downtime.
And, to provide a alternate viewpoint, I conversed a lot with Jason prior to purchasing a 2007 Town and Country... so I could go into it with my eyes wide open.
My 2007 Town and Country, which I purchased used with 33,000 miles on it in 2011, was one of the most reliable vehicles that I've owned. It was never on the back of a tow truck while I owned it. The one unexpected failure that it did have, it was still drivable, and I was able to schedule the repair at my convenience.
Originally Posted By: carguy996
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle.
The rental car companies in this area are avoiding the new Kia Sedona van. There's a sign.
I was shocked when I saw sticker prices, $46,000 for a Kia Sedona was the worst. Looked at a pre-owned 2015 with 9000 miles on it and the wear and tear on the interior was awful, the switchgear had lots of paint wear and the buttons lost their texture so there were shiny spots where people touched various buttons. Pretty sad from a $46,000 vehicle.
The rental car companies in this area are avoiding the new Kia Sedona van. There's a sign.
Rental car companies here had a ton of Sedona's when they first came out, after a couple months the airport and local branches have been renting out Town & Country Touring L's and Toyota Sienne XLE models. One of our enterprise locations even has R/T Caravans they rent out. The days of rental companies having stripped down models is over. There are a lot of 200C, 300 Hemi and Dodge Challenger rentals on the lots now.
About every other year we rent a T&C for a family vacation. Last summer, we took one into Canada. Two ears before that, we took one to DC from STL. We are a family of 5. The youngest is now 17. We found the vans spacious, comfortable and reasonably fuel efficient.
They had entertainment systems, meaning the kids could watch DVD while I drove. Plenty of storage cubbies and power points for the wealth of smartphones, laptops, and MiFi we used to save on their limited data.
You can rent a reasonably well equipped van and try it out before you buy.
They had entertainment systems, meaning the kids could watch DVD while I drove. Plenty of storage cubbies and power points for the wealth of smartphones, laptops, and MiFi we used to save on their limited data.
You can rent a reasonably well equipped van and try it out before you buy.
I ended up buying the Odyssey, got it for a good price and sold my Caravan pretty much right away. Figured if I want the Pacifica when it comes out, I can wait a year and get one then. The Honda was just too nice of a van to pass up.
Congrats, enjoy the Honda.
I think the Honda will run fine for a long time. I'd keep the oil changed every 5k miles to stave off any VCM-related sludge. I'm not sure there's enough long-term data on the second generation of VCM, yet, to make blanket statements about what is or isn't an appropriate oil change, but, based on what's happened with some of the first generation engines, I think a shorter change interval is prudent.
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