2013 Ford Focus or 2013 Toyota Corolla

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Corolla may have less problems, however it should as outdated the car and drivetrain is. I had a 11 Camry with the then new 2.5 i-4 and 6 speed auto. It was a horrible experience and i finally traded it i had so many trips to the dealer, last trip being a transmission replacement at 15k(worst trans ive ever had btw). In fact a whole mile away from the dealer to get my F-150 the check engine and stability lights came on. I was never as happy to get rid of a vehicle.

Want something that MIGHT last longer get the Corolla.
Want something that is better in every way except it MIGHT not last as long get the Focus.
 
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Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Corolla hands down. it will outlast you, and you will be bored with it far before it has any major issues.



How long will that take, a week? LOL!
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The OP must be busy working - no updates at all.
A 2013 Mazda3 skyactiv would be the most engaging to drive, and the 6AT seems to get rave reviews and slightly better mpg vs the 6MT. With the 2014 '3 coming out, deals can be had soon.
I can't imagine wanting to drive a Corolla everyday.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
The OP must be busy working - no updates at all.
A 2013 Mazda3 skyactiv would be the most engaging to drive, and the 6AT seems to get rave reviews and slightly better mpg vs the 6MT. With the 2014 '3 coming out, deals can be had soon.
I can't imagine wanting to drive a Corolla everyday.


The 6MT can yield better MPGs. I haven't seen any ATX Mazda3s getting as good as the better drivers using the 6MT.

I really believe manufacturers are intentionally not running the EPA cycle as good as they can with their MTXs now days to sell more ATXs which are priced noticeably higher.
 
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Corolla hands down. it will outlast you, and you will be bored with it far before it has any major issues. If that is what you are looking for, that is what you should get.

The Focus is nice and very well engineered, but they have only been that way for a few years now. I still question their dual clutch transmission reliability, that wont be answered for another 5 years.


Don't at least a few other cars (non-Fords, mind you) also use a dual clutch in their automatics?
 
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Don't at least a few other cars (non-Fords, mind you) also use a dual clutch in their automatics?


VW GTI for one.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Corolla hands down. it will outlast you, and you will be bored with it far before it has any major issues.



How long will that take, a week? LOL!
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So true really! I do like our Corolla it has been a great vehicle. However, it's extremely boring to drive. I have actually contemplated trading it for something much more exciting but that may be awhile. Oh well, I have the truck to keep me entertained.
 
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327
Originally Posted By: AndyinAL
18 months ago I took a job that requires me to drive an average of 350 miles per day using my personal vehicle and my fuel. At the time I did not own a suitable vehicle so I rented cars while I shopped (only $150 per week using Costco discount - not bad considering I was logging almost 2k per week)

They kept giving me Ford Focuses. I had 4 different ones. 3 of the 4 had transmissions that made the strangest sounds I have ever heard coming from an automatic transmission. Hunting for gears, refusal to downshift at very slow speeds then slamming into a gear. It felt and sounded like a dry, mechanical power delivery as opposed to the smooth hydraulic nature of an automatic. Somebody mentioned clutches earlier - it sounded like dry, rattling, banging clutches.

These were all very new cars with less than 12k miles. The one that shifted right was nice to drive and I kept it until they demanded it back for service. The other 3 I cussed and could not imagine how a major auto company could put out something like this in 2013. I suspect a traditional, smooth transmission would probably increase fuel consumption by 1% or something. I would not own one. Everything else about the car seemed nice.

I ended up getting a 2005 Corolla. With 250k on it now it drives and shifts like new.

I can't imagine a Focus having the same resale value 8 years from now as a Toyota. The styling is not the greatest though...

YMMV


Sorry to derail the thread, but I have a question for AndyinAl:

If you don't have any other costs other than fuel, $150 for 2000 miles put you at about 7.5 cents per mile in depreciation/financing/licensing/insurance/repair/maintenance/&c. costs. That is a bargain! I don't see how you could do better than that buying/financing/leasing a new car. To me, with that kind of miles being driven, it makes sense to keep on renting, just keep a beater car for weeks when you don't work. Leave the rental company/other renters holding the bag on repairs/mtce./depreciation/wear & tear/tires/oil.


I did not buy a new car. I paid $6,000 cash for a 2005 Corolla S with 100k miles. Bought it from a private seller so I was able fill out the title work and pay the appropriate amount of sales tax
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Even if I were to continuously rent, I would still own a personal vehicle. That $150/week was made possible by me having my own existing auto insurance an not paying extra for it with the rental. License plates are negligible on an 8 year old car.

Depreciation - regardless of miles, a good running Corolla is going to have value. I only paid $6k - not much there to lose.

Maintenance - I do all of my own. 15k mi OCI, a 4qt transmission drain and fill every now and again, tires easily last 75k (I actually just turned 40k on a nice set of pre owned tires that I only have $100 in) Everything else is so rare and sporadic it totals just a fraction of a penny per mile. I carry a spare alternator and fuel pump assembly from a 30k wrecked car just for peace of mind. Those items cost me about $50 each. I should install them and carry my high mile ones as spares, just haven't gotten around to it. Spare serpentine belt too. Oh, and the Corolla has a timing chain that evidently requires no service.

I hated trading in the rentals for service. Always took longer than it should. Had to transfer all of my stuff. Never know what you are going to get... a funky transmission, a roaring wheel bearing, an annoying dash rattle... you name it. Every time I would pick up a rental, I had to spend time cleaning the inside of the windows (always filthy) and inflating the tires. I like having my GPS and satellite radio permanently installed in my work vehicle. I like having RainX on my vehicle - Another thing I would have to take time to do to a new rental.

Taxes. I can legally deduct 55.5 cents per mile from my gross revenue when using my own vehicle. That is $195 per day. Theoretically I should only deduct the cost of the rental and fuel if I was renting - only about $65 per day.

What I don't like about my Corolla: I really wish it had ABS. The radio is too far to reach comfortably from the driving position. Rear drum brakes do not self adjust. I manually adjust them at every tire rotation, restoring the higher "pedal feel" - most people wouldn't notice the difference, except for the parking brake being tighter.

I see no reason why this car will not last many years to come. It has already paid for itself many times over. Eventually I will get something different and newer... for a change, maybe a little quieter, with ABS and 10 air bags, but for now I am just making money with my little Corolla.
 
Originally Posted By: AndyinAL
Originally Posted By: Cardenio327
Originally Posted By: AndyinAL
18 months ago I took a job that requires me to drive an average of 350 miles per day using my personal vehicle and my fuel. At the time I did not own a suitable vehicle so I rented cars while I shopped (only $150 per week using Costco discount - not bad considering I was logging almost 2k per week)

They kept giving me Ford Focuses. I had 4 different ones. 3 of the 4 had transmissions that made the strangest sounds I have ever heard coming from an automatic transmission. Hunting for gears, refusal to downshift at very slow speeds then slamming into a gear. It felt and sounded like a dry, mechanical power delivery as opposed to the smooth hydraulic nature of an automatic. Somebody mentioned clutches earlier - it sounded like dry, rattling, banging clutches.

These were all very new cars with less than 12k miles. The one that shifted right was nice to drive and I kept it until they demanded it back for service. The other 3 I cussed and could not imagine how a major auto company could put out something like this in 2013. I suspect a traditional, smooth transmission would probably increase fuel consumption by 1% or something. I would not own one. Everything else about the car seemed nice.

I ended up getting a 2005 Corolla. With 250k on it now it drives and shifts like new.

I can't imagine a Focus having the same resale value 8 years from now as a Toyota. The styling is not the greatest though...

YMMV


Sorry to derail the thread, but I have a question for AndyinAl:

If you don't have any other costs other than fuel, $150 for 2000 miles put you at about 7.5 cents per mile in depreciation/financing/licensing/insurance/repair/maintenance/&c. costs. That is a bargain! I don't see how you could do better than that buying/financing/leasing a new car. To me, with that kind of miles being driven, it makes sense to keep on renting, just keep a beater car for weeks when you don't work. Leave the rental company/other renters holding the bag on repairs/mtce./depreciation/wear & tear/tires/oil.


I did not buy a new car. I paid $6,000 cash for a 2005 Corolla S with 100k miles. Bought it from a private seller so I was able fill out the title work and pay the appropriate amount of sales tax
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Even if I were to continuously rent, I would still own a personal vehicle. That $150/week was made possible by me having my own existing auto insurance an not paying extra for it with the rental. License plates are negligible on an 8 year old car.

Depreciation - regardless of miles, a good running Corolla is going to have value. I only paid $6k - not much there to lose.

Maintenance - I do all of my own. 15k mi OCI, a 4qt transmission drain and fill every now and again, tires easily last 75k (I actually just turned 40k on a nice set of pre owned tires that I only have $100 in) Everything else is so rare and sporadic it totals just a fraction of a penny per mile. I carry a spare alternator and fuel pump assembly from a 30k wrecked car just for peace of mind. Those items cost me about $50 each. I should install them and carry my high mile ones as spares, just haven't gotten around to it. Spare serpentine belt too. Oh, and the Corolla has a timing chain that evidently requires no service.

I hated trading in the rentals for service. Always took longer than it should. Had to transfer all of my stuff. Never know what you are going to get... a funky transmission, a roaring wheel bearing, an annoying dash rattle... you name it. Every time I would pick up a rental, I had to spend time cleaning the inside of the windows (always filthy) and inflating the tires. I like having my GPS and satellite radio permanently installed in my work vehicle. I like having RainX on my vehicle - Another thing I would have to take time to do to a new rental.

Taxes. I can legally deduct 55.5 cents per mile from my gross revenue when using my own vehicle. That is $195 per day. Theoretically I should only deduct the cost of the rental and fuel if I was renting - only about $65 per day.

What I don't like about my Corolla: I really wish it had ABS. The radio is too far to reach comfortably from the driving position. Rear drum brakes do not self adjust. I manually adjust them at every tire rotation, restoring the higher "pedal feel" - most people wouldn't notice the difference, except for the parking brake being tighter.

I see no reason why this car will not last many years to come. It has already paid for itself many times over. Eventually I will get something different and newer... for a change, maybe a little quieter, with ABS and 10 air bags, but for now I am just making money with my little Corolla.


Those rear hubs are common to a number of Toyotas, I think a rear disc setup is an easy swap. It is on drum braked Camrys. Of course the time to do it is when the rears need a rebuild, you may find parts to convert are little more than the drum setup.
 
Originally Posted By: AndyinAL

What I don't like about my Corolla: I really wish it had ABS. The radio is too far to reach comfortably from the driving position. Rear drum brakes do not self adjust. I manually adjust them at every tire rotation, restoring the higher "pedal feel" - most people wouldn't notice the difference, except for the parking brake being tighter.


Interesting did not know that does it apply to 09-10's also? My parents Corolla has some touchy brakes almost throws you through the windshield. Strange that our 02 Focus has self adjusters.. even the Festiva.

I'd probably go with the Corolla but the Focus is a world car also. I think you'd be fine with either.. just find the cheapest and go with it!
 
Originally Posted By: AndyinAL

What I don't like about my Corolla: I really wish it had ABS. The radio is too far to reach comfortably from the driving position. Rear drum brakes do not self adjust. I manually adjust them at every tire rotation, restoring the higher "pedal feel" - most people wouldn't notice the difference, except for the parking brake being tighter.


I hear you. When I was shopping for mine in 2002, it was very hard to find ABS. They were uncommon in southeast.

Speaking of rear drums, I thought they self-adjusted when backing up? I never adjusted mine in over 10 years and brakes work fine.
 
You mean the rear brake mechanism physically doesn't have the star adjuster? Or do you mean the parking brake doesn't self adjust? If it's the latter then most do not.

Originally Posted By: AndyinAL
What I don't like about my Corolla: Rear drum brakes do not self adjust. I manually adjust them at every tire rotation, restoring the higher "pedal feel" - most people wouldn't notice the difference, except for the parking brake being tighter.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
You mean the rear brake mechanism physically doesn't have the star adjuster? Or do you mean the parking brake doesn't self adjust? If it's the latter then most do not.

Originally Posted By: AndyinAL
What I don't like about my Corolla: Rear drum brakes do not self adjust. I manually adjust them at every tire rotation, restoring the higher "pedal feel" - most people wouldn't notice the difference, except for the parking brake being tighter.


Oh they are self adjusting alright, I just never see any evidence of them adjusting. I service 2 other 2003-2008 Corollas and they don't appear to adjust either. At least not to my liking. All parts on all 3 appear factory and relatively clean and the adjusters turn easily by hand with a screwdriver. Maybe taking it all apart and making sure everything is squeaky clean would help. But then again, I have never had great luck with any self adjusters on any drum brake setup. Super easy to do when rotating the tires though.

I don't want to suggest the brakes are lacking. Quite the opposite. The front rotors and pads are quite "beefy" for a car this size. More substantial that Civics I have worked on in the past. I am running Wagner ThermoQuiets and am satisfied. They don't have the initial bite that other pads have, but they stop with authority, are dead quiet, and probably the cleanest pads I have ever owned. I will be going back with them if I ever wear these out.

But on a wet road when a sharp curve sneaks up on you, it would be nice to be able to brake and turn aggressively simultaneously - not just one or the other! (ABS) I always drive conservatively knowing I don't have ABS, but all it takes is one time...
 
BTW, here is a reason why 2013 Corolla is a poor choice now: 2014 Corolla is coming out soon and said to be improved a lot. They will have an Eco version with valvematic version of the existing 1.8L engine. Higher HP and MPG at the same time!
 
Thank You for all the replies and sorry I didn't get back to reply earlier. As of right now I am leaning towards the 2013 Corolla. The Corolla is boring, lacks on technology, apparantly is boring to drive and its interior looks like its over 10 years old lol. With that being said I care about none of that and all I want is a cheap car that is reliable and has less things that can go wrong with it. Also what I really like is that this is the last model year before Toyota redesigns the Corolla and usually when they redesign cars that first year or two tend to be the most problematic years. I hear that the new 2014 Corolla will have a CVT which is nice but I want something that has already been well tested.

I seen a dealer around here just advertise a 2013 Corolla with Automatic for 14,788. Thats almost 2k cheaper than the Focus. You can't really go wrong for a vehicle at that price.

Thank you again
 
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Rear drum brake systems do self-adjust.

The problem is
1. It isn't perfectly accurate.
2. The adjustment hardware is usually worn out by them time the car needs brake shoes.
 
Originally Posted By: mike7139
Also what I really like is that this is the last model year before Toyota redesigns the Corolla and usually when they redesign cars that first year or two tend to be the most problematic years. I hear that the new 2014 Corolla will have a CVT which is nice but I want something that has already been well tested.

I seen a dealer around here just advertise a 2013 Corolla with Automatic for 14,788. Thats almost 2k cheaper than the Focus. You can't really go wrong for a vehicle at that price.

Thank you again


You have a lot of self discipline. I'm usually a sucker for a redesign, especially if nice lines and new technology. You are absolutely right, 2013 Corolla is going to be more reliable than the 2014 one (or Focus too). The price for 2013 should be good too.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: mike7139
Also what I really like is that this is the last model year before Toyota redesigns the Corolla and usually when they redesign cars that first year or two tend to be the most problematic years. I hear that the new 2014 Corolla will have a CVT which is nice but I want something that has already been well tested.

I seen a dealer around here just advertise a 2013 Corolla with Automatic for 14,788. Thats almost 2k cheaper than the Focus. You can't really go wrong for a vehicle at that price.

Thank you again


You have a lot of self discipline. I'm usually a sucker for a redesign, especially if nice lines and new technology. You are absolutely right, 2013 Corolla is going to be more reliable than the 2014 one (or Focus too). The price for 2013 should be good too.



I also love new redesigns and new technology and I really love the 2014 Corolla with the CVT transmission(I always wanted a CVT) but me along with other family members have been burnt buying cars that come out in the first year or two of production. These cars have all been GM cars. Lets start from the intake gasket leak on my car(took GM 3 years to figure this one out) and both my mom and my dad purchased 2006 impalas in the first year and both had transmission problems. This was before GM announced its 5 year/100k warranty though.

I much rather just drive a car that is going to treat me well and give me less problems in the long run. Plus this keeps my anxiety levels way down
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Originally Posted By: mike7139


I seen a dealer around here just advertise a 2013 Corolla with Automatic for 14,788. Thats almost 2k cheaper than the Focus. You can't really go wrong for a vehicle at that price.


You should definitely visit both dealers and ask them for the best deal currently available. The advertized price has too many strings attached. The advertized price could be a so called "price leader" vehicle that's specially designed to have a low MSRP, but it's an extremely basic model, almost always in truly ugly color, and often the kind of model the dealer does not have in stock.. Granted, today even the price leader may be a decently equipped car. The only thing you can't take for granted in it is an automatic transmission. I remember the price leaders in the early 2000s were a lot worse: manual windows, manual door locks, no AC, shopping cart wheels, cassette player and a manual transmission. Yours for only $12,999!
 
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