2012 Jeep Wrangler OCI?

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I just picked up a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. It has the new Pentastar 3.6l V6. The factory recommended OCI is 13,000kms (8000 miles) on whatever dino they are running.

My service guy at the dealership here is old school and doesn't believe it. He insists I have to change at 3000 miles claiming there has been no major advances in oil or engine design. I think he's kind of an idiot, but don't really know what to tell him.

Can anyone tell my why Chrysler has extended the OCI to this long?

Thanks for any info!
 
They've extended the OCI to that long essentially because of major advances in oil and engine design.

Really, under most circumstances, the factory OCI will be just fine. My folks have a 2012 Wrangler and dad is doing 5,000 mile OCIs just to keep it easy to remember.
 
That's what I told the guy. I figured the guy in charge of maintaining these things would have a clue. I'm planning to go the full 8000 miles. If I cook the motor, well, that's what warranty is for.

Anyone point me in the direction of info on what the "major advances" are in oil and engine design?
 
It would require SN rated oil.It being the latest (and "greatest")...so there has been advances in oil technology.This old Chrysler guy must think Aspens and slant 6s are still being made.
 
The scary thing,if you check an owners manual from a 1970s vehicle,it will state that oil should be changed at 6000 miles,and change the filter every OTHER oil change.Scary stuff,when you consider the quality of oils back then.Of course,there were "improvements" even back then,like Arco Graphite (lol).
 
It's 8K miles or every 6 months under normal driving conditions (which nobody does), and your "Change Oil" light will come on at 3,500 miles.

I've got the Pentastar in my 200 convertible and did the 1st oil change at 3,500 miles. New filter placement makes it a snap. I'll now do 6K OCIs with synthetic.

My daughter's 2011 Patriot with the same 4 cyl engine as the 2008-2010 Patriots also now calls for 8K miles/6 mos intervals.
 
That OCI is based on the oil life monitor. The longest it will go is 8000 miles. It can be much less. I have a pentastar in a 2011 Grand Caravan R/T. First oil change light at @3200 miles. Second at about 7500ish. So OCIs are averaging @3500 miles so far. Depends on how you drive it, the oil life monitor will let you know.
 
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Ok, thats cool. I kinda figured I'd do the 6 month or 8000 mile thing unless that light came on. I'm at 6400 kms right now, so I'm guessing I should see that light eventually. . . I'd never make 6 months without going 8000 miles.

I just don't like that the stealership is pushing early OCI's with no knowledge to back it up.
 
Review some used oil analysis' on this site. Unless the Pentastar's are especially hard on oil I can't imagine you couldn't get at least 6-8k between oil changes.
 
I'm patiently waiting till 2013 MY and hopefully I'll be buying one. Something to keep in mind with the Pentastar engines, they have no freeze out plugs and they had problems early on with cleaning the engines up after the blocks were cast. Change the FF early. Other than that it is one of the better engines out there. I have my fingers crossed that engine stays DI free through 2013. I don't want a DI version of that engine in my Wrangler when I'm ready to buy.
 
Originally Posted By: AlbertaBoy

I just don't like that the stealership is pushing early OCI's with no knowledge to back it up.


Two reasons: 1) The Service Manager is an idiot and doesn't know about the exceptional advances in lubrication technology brought about by SM/GF-4 and SN/GF-5 requirements.

2) The stealership makes more money when you change every 3000 miles.

Intelligent Oil Life Monitors are really great. They adjust your OCI according to YOUR driving conditions.
 
Originally Posted By: OldCowboy
Originally Posted By: AlbertaBoy

I just don't like that the stealership is pushing early OCI's with no knowledge to back it up.


Two reasons: 1) The Service Manager is an idiot and doesn't know about the exceptional advances in lubrication technology brought about by SM/GF-4 and SN/GF-5 requirements.

2) The stealership makes more money when you change every 3000 miles.

Intelligent Oil Life Monitors are really great. They adjust your OCI according to YOUR driving conditions.

I agree. Shorter OCI's results in more oil changes and therefore more profit.

Same with filter(s), Fram recommends 12k for air filters versus 35-40k recommended by most manufactures.

Follow manufactures recommendation is safe and save money doing so.
 
Originally Posted By: harbor
It's 8K miles or every 6 months under normal driving conditions (which nobody does), and your "Change Oil" light will come on at 3,500 miles.

I've got the Pentastar in my 200 convertible and did the 1st oil change at 3,500 miles. New filter placement makes it a snap. I'll now do 6K OCIs with synthetic.

My daughter's 2011 Patriot with the same 4 cyl engine as the 2008-2010 Patriots also now calls for 8K miles/6 mos intervals.


On these and most new engines, I agree with your OCI's...
 
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
The scary thing,if you check an owners manual from a 1970s vehicle,it will state that oil should be changed at 6000 miles,and change the filter every OTHER oil change.Scary stuff,when you consider the quality of oils back then.Of course,there were "improvements" even back then,like Arco Graphite (lol).


I agree the oci that were suggested were pretty funny. More messed up is that they think all oil filters can do 12,000 miles. Imagine what an oil filter looks like after 12,000 or the 1 year thats crazy.
I do agree that the manual is what the engine is designed to be safe with. Is the guy on comission?
 
Originally Posted By: AlbertaBoy
I just picked up a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited. It has the new Pentastar 3.6l V6. The factory recommended OCI is 13,000kms (8000 miles) on whatever dino they are running.

My service guy at the dealership here is old school and doesn't believe it. He insists I have to change at 3000 miles claiming there has been no major advances in oil or engine design. I think he's kind of an idiot, but don't really know what to tell him.

Can anyone tell my why Chrysler has extended the OCI to this long?

Thanks for any info!


You folks that call this man an "idiot" need to show a little respect. He may not have the superior intelect you younger guys have(Ha Ha) about oil and OCIs(I was doing 10K OCIs in 1978)but give him his due as your senior.
 
Originally Posted By: abycat
Originally Posted By: NHGUY
The scary thing,if you check an owners manual from a 1970s vehicle,it will state that oil should be changed at 6000 miles,and change the filter every OTHER oil change.Scary stuff,when you consider the quality of oils back then.Of course,there were "improvements" even back then,like Arco Graphite (lol).


I agree the oci that were suggested were pretty funny. More messed up is that they think all oil filters can do 12,000 miles. Imagine what an oil filter looks like after 12,000 or the 1 year thats crazy.
I do agree that the manual is what the engine is designed to be safe with. Is the guy on comission?


Whe I first started using synthetic oil in 1978 I changed filters once a year with no problems.
 
I give seniors respect when they refuse to be stuck in the past and are willing to continue to learn and change with the times. Just 'cause you're old doesn't mean you have done anything deserving of respect from anyone. Respect is earned, I don't care if you're 14 or 65.
 
Originally Posted By: harbor
It's 8K miles or every 6 months under normal driving conditions (which nobody does), and your "Change Oil" light will come on at 3,500 miles.

I've got the Pentastar in my 200 convertible and did the 1st oil change at 3,500 miles. New filter placement makes it a snap. I'll now do 6K OCIs with synthetic.

My daughter's 2011 Patriot with the same 4 cyl engine as the 2008-2010 Patriots also now calls for 8K miles/6 mos intervals.


Originally Posted By: 95busa
That OCI is based on the oil life monitor. The longest it will go is 8000 miles. It can be much less. I have a pentastar in a 2011 Grand Caravan R/T. First oil change light at @3200 miles. Second at about 7500ish. So OCIs are averaging @3500 miles so far. Depends on how you drive it, the oil life monitor will let you know.


Judging from this testimony with OLM alerts coming on at 3500 miles, your service adviser might be right about the 3k intervals, at least for this particular application.
 
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Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR

Same with filter(s), Fram recommends 12k for air filters versus 35-40k recommended by most manufactures.

Follow manufactures recommendation is safe and save money doing so.

Mileage recommendations for filter change intervals are bogus because it largely depends on the amount of dust in your environment.
 
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