According to LLN, the F150 will get both motors:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-2011-f-150-to-get-3-7l-v6-base-engine.html
http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-2011-f-150-to-get-3-7l-v6-base-engine.html
2011 F-150 Ecoboost
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Originally Posted By: jmsjags
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Now if they Ecoboost the 5.0..........
honestly i don't see any need for a v8 nowadays except in maybe heavy duty trucks, commercial vehicles, and limos. i'd much rather have an ecoboost 3.5L in the 2011 mustang than the 5.0L, but of course ford has to appeal to the older generation that still thinks anything less than a v8 is inferior
Makes me think back to the 80's and the SVO. Maybe they don't want to chance going back to that again.
I like the Ecoboost but a Mustang GT without a sweet sounding V8 would not be the same.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Now if they Ecoboost the 5.0..........
honestly i don't see any need for a v8 nowadays except in maybe heavy duty trucks, commercial vehicles, and limos. i'd much rather have an ecoboost 3.5L in the 2011 mustang than the 5.0L, but of course ford has to appeal to the older generation that still thinks anything less than a v8 is inferior
Makes me think back to the 80's and the SVO. Maybe they don't want to chance going back to that again.
I like the Ecoboost but a Mustang GT without a sweet sounding V8 would not be the same.
so true. One of my shopping criteria was SOUND.
No matter how much boost no V6 ever SOUNDS like a sweet running V8.
While it is a great design, the Ecoboost has to earn its chops first. Get back to me after 3 years!
No matter how much boost no V6 ever SOUNDS like a sweet running V8.
While it is a great design, the Ecoboost has to earn its chops first. Get back to me after 3 years!
Has questions about how much repair costs on ecoboost vs n/a V-8 will run.
Only 60k powertrain? Get ready to spend some bucks after.
Only 60k powertrain? Get ready to spend some bucks after.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jmsjags
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Now if they Ecoboost the 5.0..........
honestly i don't see any need for a v8 nowadays except in maybe heavy duty trucks, commercial vehicles, and limos. i'd much rather have an ecoboost 3.5L in the 2011 mustang than the 5.0L, but of course ford has to appeal to the older generation that still thinks anything less than a v8 is inferior
Some people just love V8's. I own four of 'em.
We got three V8's and love everyone of them.
Originally Posted By: jmsjags
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Now if they Ecoboost the 5.0..........
honestly i don't see any need for a v8 nowadays except in maybe heavy duty trucks, commercial vehicles, and limos. i'd much rather have an ecoboost 3.5L in the 2011 mustang than the 5.0L, but of course ford has to appeal to the older generation that still thinks anything less than a v8 is inferior
Some people just love V8's. I own four of 'em.
We got three V8's and love everyone of them.
Originally Posted By: MrCritical
Has questions about how much repair costs on ecoboost vs n/a V-8 will run.
Only 60k powertrain? Get ready to spend some bucks after.
I agree. A longer warranty would make the EB more appealing.
If I were going to buy a 2011 F-150, I would most likely choose the 5.0. With gas engine pickups, I prefer they be NA for reliability/ease of maintenance. Don't get me wrong, the GMC Syclone was a really cool truck, but it was a toy. Once the EB has proven itself over many years and miles I will consider it.
Has questions about how much repair costs on ecoboost vs n/a V-8 will run.
Only 60k powertrain? Get ready to spend some bucks after.
I agree. A longer warranty would make the EB more appealing.
If I were going to buy a 2011 F-150, I would most likely choose the 5.0. With gas engine pickups, I prefer they be NA for reliability/ease of maintenance. Don't get me wrong, the GMC Syclone was a really cool truck, but it was a toy. Once the EB has proven itself over many years and miles I will consider it.
Autolite's are $12 each: what do you think they charge at the Stealership to R&R?
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Norm Olt
Change the plugs on a Ford V8 for HOW MUCH?
I have never seen an engine easier to change plugs on than a Ford 32V V8. Plugs swaps on the Coyote 5.0L are going to be cake.
Cheers!
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Norm Olt
Change the plugs on a Ford V8 for HOW MUCH?
I have never seen an engine easier to change plugs on than a Ford 32V V8. Plugs swaps on the Coyote 5.0L are going to be cake.
Cheers!
I'm guessing that the Ecoboost and V8 are used in case fuel price goes up, or if a gas guzzler tax becomes more strict.
I am also thinking that California might get those things before the other 49 states, so there is no need to interrupt production just for California.
I am also thinking that California might get those things before the other 49 states, so there is no need to interrupt production just for California.
Had a buddy with a Syclone who lived in Santa Monica a block from the beach during the OJ Simpson Murder Trail. It was so grossly overrun with media types and gawkers that he decide to spend a month in Portland to "just get away"...
I was down there for a civil trial (held in beautiful Compton, no less) and drove up from LA to Portland with him in the Syclone. This was after we spent a weekend roaring around the LA Basin.
I can only tell you that it was one of the fastest, easiest to drive from stoplight-to-stoplight vehicles I've ever had the opportunity to drive!
FAST,FAST, FAST!!!! Just powerbrake it a bit at the line and push the GO! pedal to the floor! BANG! BANG! go the shifts and brake for the 1st stop sign or red light.
The drive to Portland (we left LA at 9:00 pm) was done in what was for me record time, stopping only for gas a couple times. Probably averaged 85 mph that night.
Cheers!
p.s. I wonder if he still has it? Had a real nice black 'glass canopy but was not set up to tow very much, as I recall. Sure hauled A$$, though!
I was down there for a civil trial (held in beautiful Compton, no less) and drove up from LA to Portland with him in the Syclone. This was after we spent a weekend roaring around the LA Basin.
I can only tell you that it was one of the fastest, easiest to drive from stoplight-to-stoplight vehicles I've ever had the opportunity to drive!
FAST,FAST, FAST!!!! Just powerbrake it a bit at the line and push the GO! pedal to the floor! BANG! BANG! go the shifts and brake for the 1st stop sign or red light.
The drive to Portland (we left LA at 9:00 pm) was done in what was for me record time, stopping only for gas a couple times. Probably averaged 85 mph that night.
Cheers!
p.s. I wonder if he still has it? Had a real nice black 'glass canopy but was not set up to tow very much, as I recall. Sure hauled A$$, though!
Originally Posted By: jmsjags
btw there's already taurus SHO's in the 12's in the quarter mile. these ecoboost f-150's are gonna be some fast trucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6u3lUxwl_o
YIKES! 12.75 @108 MPH, and the owner claims that only a tune was done to acheive the time! Even at 13.9 stock, both numbers are impressive for a car of that size!
btw there's already taurus SHO's in the 12's in the quarter mile. these ecoboost f-150's are gonna be some fast trucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6u3lUxwl_o
YIKES! 12.75 @108 MPH, and the owner claims that only a tune was done to acheive the time! Even at 13.9 stock, both numbers are impressive for a car of that size!
Put my EcoBoost in a mustang please! 3.73 cogs and track pack will make me a happy boy. Gently tweaked to 400 HP with a little less weight on the front end would make for a quick ,low profile pony
none of you guys has driven a modern turbo car, huh? they're nothing like the 911 turbos of yesteryear.
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=27455
"When combined with modern-day turbocharging – which uses waste energy from the exhaust gas to drive the turbine – direct injection provides the best of both worlds: the responsiveness of a larger-displacement engine with fewer trips to the gas pump.
Ford’s 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment."
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=27455
"When combined with modern-day turbocharging – which uses waste energy from the exhaust gas to drive the turbine – direct injection provides the best of both worlds: the responsiveness of a larger-displacement engine with fewer trips to the gas pump.
Ford’s 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, for example, can deliver upwards of 340-plus lb.-ft. of torque across a wide engine range – 2,000 to 5,000 rpm versus 270 to 310 lb.-ft of torque for a conventional naturally aspirated 4.6-liter V-8 over the same speed range. At the same time, this V-6 gives customers an approximate 2 mpg improvement and emits up to 15 percent fewer CO2 emissions to the environment."
dude, some of us actually OWN a modern turbo car!
Skip over the marketing hype, that flat torque curve is a characteristic of ANY properly set up turbo install.
And the MPG thing is pure [censored]. They actually do much worse in the real world. The whole "boosted" smaller engine getting better economy has yet to be proven in the real world.
And this engine is way to new to have any cred about longevity. We'll all be watching to see how it does.
Skip over the marketing hype, that flat torque curve is a characteristic of ANY properly set up turbo install.
And the MPG thing is pure [censored]. They actually do much worse in the real world. The whole "boosted" smaller engine getting better economy has yet to be proven in the real world.
And this engine is way to new to have any cred about longevity. We'll all be watching to see how it does.
a turbo system set-up for drag racing won't have that nice, flat torque curve. do you really think that a 700whp civic rocking a T4 (or bigger) turbo has gobs and gobs of low-end torque?
you've driven how many ecoboost's? and then compared the mpg's to an identical vehicle/chassis with a v8? i dont think you can make that statement stick. yet... but we'll see...
fwiw, the D-A-M-B (direct-acting mechanical bucket) version of the duratec v6 has been out since 2000. that's a decade. i haven't heard of any reliability issues with the non-turbo engines and they can make 300bhp (w/ then stock bottom end) when you slap a turbo kit onto them. i think an oem could figure out what to change to further increase reliability.
will the turbo's last 200k? i doubt it but some (gently used ones) might. 200k would be way outside the warranty period anyhow.
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
you've driven how many ecoboost's? and then compared the mpg's to an identical vehicle/chassis with a v8? i dont think you can make that statement stick. yet... but we'll see...
fwiw, the D-A-M-B (direct-acting mechanical bucket) version of the duratec v6 has been out since 2000. that's a decade. i haven't heard of any reliability issues with the non-turbo engines and they can make 300bhp (w/ then stock bottom end) when you slap a turbo kit onto them. i think an oem could figure out what to change to further increase reliability.
will the turbo's last 200k? i doubt it but some (gently used ones) might. 200k would be way outside the warranty period anyhow.
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
Originally Posted By: gtx510
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
Usually, not at all. Most 4.6s could use a new set of chain guides at ~250K, and if you get one of the good ones, 300K-400K usually isn't a problem if regular maintenance is done. There's a 5.4 E-Series van with right at 1.2 million miles on the original engine.
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
Usually, not at all. Most 4.6s could use a new set of chain guides at ~250K, and if you get one of the good ones, 300K-400K usually isn't a problem if regular maintenance is done. There's a 5.4 E-Series van with right at 1.2 million miles on the original engine.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: gtx510
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
Usually, not at all. Most 4.6s could use a new set of chain guides at ~250K, and if you get one of the good ones, 300K-400K usually isn't a problem if regular maintenance is done. There's a 5.4 E-Series van with right at 1.2 million miles on the original engine.
True but it burns a quart of oil every 3-400 miles.
Originally Posted By: gtx510
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
Usually, not at all. Most 4.6s could use a new set of chain guides at ~250K, and if you get one of the good ones, 300K-400K usually isn't a problem if regular maintenance is done. There's a 5.4 E-Series van with right at 1.2 million miles on the original engine.
True but it burns a quart of oil every 3-400 miles.
Originally Posted By: gtx510
I'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
This has to be the most ignorant post of the month.
I have yet to sit in a Taxi in Miami that has less the 300K miles...Most have over 400K miles and they are running just fine...All these cars were former patrol cars.
I'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
This has to be the most ignorant post of the month.
I have yet to sit in a Taxi in Miami that has less the 300K miles...Most have over 400K miles and they are running just fine...All these cars were former patrol cars.
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
True but it burns a quart of oil every 3-400 miles.
Not quite, "I use Valvoline 10w40 motor oil and change that every 10,000 to 20,000 miles. One time, years back, I went 55,000 miles between oil changes. Recently I went 25,000 miles between oil changes. I use about 1 quart of oil every 700 miles."
From his site. 1 quart every 700 miles is acceptable on a 1.2 million mile engine that hasn't required any major repairs.
True but it burns a quart of oil every 3-400 miles.
Not quite, "I use Valvoline 10w40 motor oil and change that every 10,000 to 20,000 miles. One time, years back, I went 55,000 miles between oil changes. Recently I went 25,000 miles between oil changes. I use about 1 quart of oil every 700 miles."
From his site. 1 quart every 700 miles is acceptable on a 1.2 million mile engine that hasn't required any major repairs.
Originally Posted By: gtx510
a turbo system set-up for drag racing won't have that nice, flat torque curve. do you really think that a 700whp civic rocking a T4 (or bigger) turbo has gobs and gobs of low-end torque?
you've driven how many ecoboost's? and then compared the mpg's to an identical vehicle/chassis with a v8? i dont think you can make that statement stick. yet... but we'll see...
fwiw, the D-A-M-B (direct-acting mechanical bucket) version of the duratec v6 has been out since 2000. that's a decade. i haven't heard of any reliability issues with the non-turbo engines and they can make 300bhp (w/ then stock bottom end) when you slap a turbo kit onto them. i think an oem could figure out what to change to further increase reliability.
will the turbo's last 200k? i doubt it but some (gently used ones) might. 200k would be way outside the warranty period anyhow.
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
1 - None of the cars we're discussing are drag racers.
2 - My father-in-law owns a new Lincoln with the ecoboost v6 in it. It gets 17 mpg in real world driving. The Taurus SHO got 16 in rag testing. I get better than that with a very tired 4.6 Lincoln! [censored], my SRT8 gets 17 in the city!
3 - Show me a single duratec with a turbo on it ANYWHERE with over 100k miles on it including the mods. Might find one, but not likely. The factory has made turbo engines in the past... they didn't hold up very well!
4 - I expect my engines to go 200k miles practically at a minimum!
5 - I'm no fan of Fords but you can't knock the 4.6. It just may be one of the most durable motors ever made by anyone.
a turbo system set-up for drag racing won't have that nice, flat torque curve. do you really think that a 700whp civic rocking a T4 (or bigger) turbo has gobs and gobs of low-end torque?
you've driven how many ecoboost's? and then compared the mpg's to an identical vehicle/chassis with a v8? i dont think you can make that statement stick. yet... but we'll see...
fwiw, the D-A-M-B (direct-acting mechanical bucket) version of the duratec v6 has been out since 2000. that's a decade. i haven't heard of any reliability issues with the non-turbo engines and they can make 300bhp (w/ then stock bottom end) when you slap a turbo kit onto them. i think an oem could figure out what to change to further increase reliability.
will the turbo's last 200k? i doubt it but some (gently used ones) might. 200k would be way outside the warranty period anyhow.
i'd like to know how clapped out a modular 4.6L is at 100k or 200k...
1 - None of the cars we're discussing are drag racers.
2 - My father-in-law owns a new Lincoln with the ecoboost v6 in it. It gets 17 mpg in real world driving. The Taurus SHO got 16 in rag testing. I get better than that with a very tired 4.6 Lincoln! [censored], my SRT8 gets 17 in the city!
3 - Show me a single duratec with a turbo on it ANYWHERE with over 100k miles on it including the mods. Might find one, but not likely. The factory has made turbo engines in the past... they didn't hold up very well!
4 - I expect my engines to go 200k miles practically at a minimum!
5 - I'm no fan of Fords but you can't knock the 4.6. It just may be one of the most durable motors ever made by anyone.
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